From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 21:17:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87y41x2s5m.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <871t0apsxm.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87shsm7hi6.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eucwi2.fsf@gnu.org> <878tudgwlq.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8360pgoyo4.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jn3ws9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83a8eqoi08.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1jlacsh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <867f9t4n4t.fsf@realize.ch> <874m4x8sq5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <8637kh4j1u.fsf@realize.ch> <87wpht4b1i.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86y4292m2u.fsf@realize.ch> <8737kd8vfh.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86bmyz2tt1.fsf@realize.ch> <87int4w341.fsf@russet.org.uk> <86eg3rqfxy.fsf@realize.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476046038 21349 195.159.176.226 (9 Oct 2016 20:47:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 20:47:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alain Schneble Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 09 22:47:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1btKzv-0003mp-B0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 22:47:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45491 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btKzt-0000lE-Nr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 16:47:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44467) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btKxv-0007h9-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 16:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btKxt-0000ia-He for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 16:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:38865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btKxq-0000FX-7a; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 16:44:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID :Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=NWPsEJTdCaSzNnmGin3VmQEG3fd8MmnL2NJvdYYpD9w=; b=VdUWfJbZ27ROhxWBjgYf2+SHTk 1pRBQ2A8ezyZnNlxQWIUd2SmtcqygFMsDP+afOfaIM7kf5rp1KhuJ1jyKIe4Ytd3XZhiB3AP3vG/m twKG5wwKU0g1Kro1WA3iL4lGHs1JBB3g7AID59EqTxEZk0brccyIsqoOVTGynJHDenqcp2ek3ihWk ZAqQu0CbIAYLMxyiwpw5wSNa8YIt3+gVi19gjUVmWgMfMoOYzEVTBclN6SWb97Z55+FrAtKznyPMy lxOwfkmGSzCX0EG83La+39G+g4qkiH/tbizcRepIbuwdYU3bkb+CJAhwHxl3lO1DYOpbADDX+Xnti DxagT7PA==; Original-Received: from cpc14-benw10-2-0-cust305.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([92.234.125.50]:50746 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1btKx4-002Syy-WB; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 21:44:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86eg3rqfxy.fsf@realize.ch> (Alain Schneble's message of "Sat, 8 Oct 2016 12:43:21 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208125 Archived-At: Alain Schneble writes: >> I was talking about using package.el as part of the build process to >> compile package, and then using package.el as part of startup to >> initialize packages in core. > > Where the code used to drive the build process comes from is a separate > question and isn't really relevant for the concerns I have. But the > final results (incl. directory layout) matters, IMHO. And with the way > you propose to use package.el it matters because it brings in a new > directory layout just for the ELPA core packages. Yes, I would agree, although without the "just". I'm hoping that ELPA becomes a more critical part of Emacs. >>> If we stick to the Emacs directory/file layout, it is a unified layout >>> that gets presented to her. Where distictions between core libraries >>> and ELPA core packages aren't visible at that level. That would be >>> worth trying to achieve, I think. (And in fact is how the >>> directory/files organization looks like in the current release, IIUC.) >> >> AFAICT the layout of files inside the Emacs directory is, or should be, >> more or less irrelevant to the end user of Emacs. We do not need to >> maintain the current directory structure, to maintain the user >> experience. > > I don't think it's irrelevant. But that's me. Having a unified > directory layout certainly is a good thing, I think. And as long as not > all Emacs built-in libraries are ELPA core packages, I'm more towards > keeping the current structure than bringing in a new one side-by-side. > (And AFAIU, making all libraries ELPA core packages isn't even a > long-term goal...) "All libraries" isn't possible unless the bootstrap process is re-written, but aside from that, I would think that having all packages in package.el format would be a good thing, but that moving to it may not be worth it. Phil