From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:16:38 +0200 Message-ID: <87y3cmsmkp.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87k1oeaofu.fsf@ada> <20180825103413.gbm5stsl67j6weow@Ergus> <87k1od7vzf.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83wosd5h3x.fsf@gnu.org> <871sakzssu.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83bm9n6f7d.fsf@gnu.org> <87tvneql3i.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87zhx5psis.fsf@gmx.de> <8736uxorwk.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535721329 13020 195.159.176.226 (31 Aug 2018 13:15:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:15:29 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , radon.neon@gmail.com, flexibeast@gmail.com, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: hw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 31 15:15:24 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvjGl-0003HC-O4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:15:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53676 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvjIs-0003cz-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:17:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53327) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvjI8-0003az-PW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvjI8-0000gV-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:16:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:46665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvjI4-0000fZ-QH; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([212.91.238.173]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lck9X-1fWniq3mSt-00k5yM; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:16:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8736uxorwk.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> (hw@adminart.net's message of "Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:10:35 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:7v57IHaovCxOq8ti+yk771/wsEwLcA6c//BieCGQx2KdDWXLJob EVvSR9fhLR7PH8cjqB9Cz7DpCZVzxjI21gHGgMvIorsveg3Kszgd0YvZlCT50bfJCc26zck epceaLq9sby0IY+BGTjZHo9qTtCj376acGT7eUk93Fitw4iqHWlg2k8Iwhds5rijJHQhN6j fdNM8bkICKdHxztSdbBdw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:aXfpxdCysTU=:Nzj/gDcEHy2M7cCzUWEjiU Kjxwhs+kwpwz/gQbvI05wkyHW24iB2A2KFXM2WCwIaq5KdlRIiQXrTKEMC2F6nhunnCUeBte0 s49ETlTpcqC1WuoQWqGhxwYHE+Ide42QOP8aB8JKgn2In+eZSDb5X2R/pILIKj8re8nst8a4P NskLbDLYJeKVYs21l/NKFNuEag97l4PdT/p3yqmewns1L6p4tbcbUdPiWI3VKpuN6sYF+/wyS 742GfRYeY+IQGXmkeY6sD6vjqNhrXtlXThNLNtiO86sCBCYLcMGhnf7/IUIEtOa7ccnR5gh4B U/rmJbucrcOgdGvNxuHvebz/XdCPKzoOSsHPRj0s08rfdmyWGXTRZRfcfSLk8b5LEhLHME5+4 aczwk16hTIH6/zL0udIhqplhYQ3vzlwBo9KE3XbQrMEtHfk4enpdCNdbDawdGFdpBYHIZeTtK NZaGe8YYmuEfH/kZL0lTTfkwUwFWO/EaDk9TJMUqvguvlrDh5hZmgIKQY/tghmPEQv8TL2Uk/ 9BpwMXzYwWHvYWW/1vxV4OAuo+4Tto/7lJBUPbpLBVZIQEnHe+Bei2dtlyO++3ZPV3i6LUic8 9O5biNEpZfeyyjlfrblW1+CfPMYEGyaLOOMbLcMw0z3geX8qieqemOfqF+OCnRpXemMs8P6PD 3zEQRo9UuSvP+kuvAb8caA0Kps66Z94Kdhuddfuq5A29mEhXh/W6pnqlp6tMw8eqU8KHOSWeJ Q+IxFTTfjU34DCRMDfKkxb+9W7yOqEKoMyykK8aaJLx0b9V1b93DIj8Tdq2zmbF0JGUSabYk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.19 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229132 Archived-At: hw writes: Hi, > Well, I don't really know the datails; only sometimes I need to run > (tramp-cleanup-all-connections) when it somehow gets screwed up. > > Last time, it blocked me entirely when it tried to create a backup file > and couldn't do that because file permissions did not allow it. I was > forced to either kill Emacs or change permissions so it could create the > file. After that, I changed the backup directory for tramp and found > out that cleaning up all the connections is not enough to have this > change applied; I had to kill the buffer and visit the file again for it > to work. If this happens again, you could call "M-x tramp-cleanup-all-buffers". It clears all connections *and* kills all buffers related to a remote file. For further analysis, I would need the Tramp debug buffer. If you set permanently tramp-verbose to 6, relevant information are traced. Well, at least as long Tramp is mulish ... > So at least for one case, here are the details, but I won't call it a > bug, only something that could be improved upon, like check permissions > before creating backups and prompt what to do when permissions do not > allow to create one, and applying a change of the backup directory right > away to all connections, or prompt the user if the change should be > applied to all of them now. Again, it is not clear what caused the problem. In order to get Tramp improved, I count on users sending the traces. > That was Emacs 24.x, on Centos, so perhaps this has already been > changed. Well, Emacs 26 is out, and the integrated Tramp shall behave better. Yes, this is my hope all the years ... Best regards, Michael.