From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:25:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="4736"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 17 19:26:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPFO-00010j-T2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:26:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55442 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPFI-0006Gi-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:26:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45770) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPFC-0006Ga-Dt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:25:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPFB-0002yJ-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:25:54 -0500 Original-Received: from 195-159-176-226.customer.powertech.no ([195.159.176.226]:40278 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPFB-0002xv-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:25:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWPF8-0000mr-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 19:25:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:3qeipGg0YHZf4EXrjdak2yiaH5w= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242298 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> IMO this is not satisfactory. The message says "do this", but there >> is no clue about how to do "this". > > Maybe we should mention admin/notes/bugtracker (which does describe > this) in CONTRIBUTE. > >> Please kill Debbugs. > > Please be serious. I'm being absolutely serious. You are proposing to put a reference to a 650 line text file on a 400 line text file for solving something that is self-evident on every other bug tracker. Debbugs is the only user-facing bug tracker I know that requires studying its magic incantations to complete tasks which are trivial on any other system. Not to mention that, after all that studying, it still won't provide basic features which exist and are trivial to use elsewhere. Debbugs is a non-starter for any project that expects interaction with its user base.