From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Colin Baxter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cairo now default? Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:10:54 +0000 Message-ID: <87y2trvi8x.fsf@yandex.com> References: <87ftfzx509.fsf@yandex.com> <87blqnx1vi.fsf@yandex.com> <877e1bx0kl.fsf@yandex.com> <8736bzwx92.fsf@yandex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="46632"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 28 14:11:45 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQef-000C5k-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:11:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58984 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQee-00069N-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:11:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56933) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQdx-0005hy-5A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:11:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQdv-00042W-VR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:11:00 -0500 Original-Received: from forward102p.mail.yandex.net ([77.88.28.102]:46037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iwQdv-00041j-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 08:10:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mxback9o.mail.yandex.net (mxback9o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::23]) by forward102p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id A227E1D40B56; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:10:56 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: from sas2-b157fac3b6f2.qloud-c.yandex.net (sas2-b157fac3b6f2.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c08:b282:0:640:b157:fac3]) by mxback9o.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id SUt8ZzDpX2-AuIKMRx1; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:10:56 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1580217056; bh=dS9ACBtGdSD/VAnk92AVDEJJydFNeIRPC2VRUNSRktk=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Cc:Cc:Date:References:Message-ID; b=CRzSKwdzLlpsPXxyDSi+/MMXOxnamJIz++uMcWyDkiyT/ZXkM232a0A5K99EMHC4F TCmGmp151y/E3WZCMNLLqIcFVk+l1K12c7ahPQIyGy6kJRHe1fUHE4I3LaEYASLYoq kqPlzUbdyAQJNi3IicfvvkV3RuZg5vrh+y0PkVCg= Authentication-Results: mxback9o.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Original-Received: by sas2-b157fac3b6f2.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id NPE2Wlo3GL-AtWOScD3; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 16:10:55 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Face: -P+89ASh_wrs;AUGm`!l[}/o-lyK}5W.gq\fkJ{#d6Gu,hWrZNz::iMm5PJb} __A96]-LUrl)X=uF=V|\3-\9/sXvBs/H In-Reply-To: <8736bzwx92.fsf@yandex.com> (Colin Baxter's message of "Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:01:29 +0000") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAA8AAAAPCAYAAAA71pVKAAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAA aklEQVQokaXSMQoCQRAEwFoDH6Om3od8myDqgeCn/MIFZ5uJhjs7MMEEBU0zLSzY6p9bK+I3DsIS 0rkXqOA17Kr4+g3fidewr+L5t7VNZ8vnEXz6uwqFTSP4OYITjiP4AdXfDqYWXgUM9w9BRfavym8k WAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 77.88.28.102 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:244701 Archived-At: >>>>> "Colin" =3D=3D Colin Baxter writes: >>>>> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 11:49:46 +0000, Colin Baxter = said: >>>> It=CA=BCs better than the alternative, which is libXft, which is >>>> unmaintained and causes crashes. Colin> Ok, so be it. Colin> I still think this change, as it stands, is going to catch Colin> out a fair number of users. We will see. >> Why? Xft and Cairo should have the same font support, apart from >> bitmap fonts. Only people who've messed with font-backend might >> have issues, and there should be not be too many of those. Colin> I was thinking of a rather more mundane reason. For example, Colin> although Debian 9.11 has the right version of the harfbuzz Colin> dev library, Debian 8.11 doesn't. To me, Debian 8.11 does Colin> seem that old. Colin> Best wishes, To me, Debian 8.11 does not seem that old Forgot the not!