From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 11:39:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87y2q9we56.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ftchy0go.fsf@gnus.org> <87368hxwj4.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="84836"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Richard Stallman , Emacs developers To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 11:40:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVB72-000Lxs-DK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:40:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44074 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVB71-0003O8-Fe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:40:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVB6Q-0002sA-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:51246) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVB6O-0000XN-TU; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:40:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rHu1LBtKa3BXvF5hBp5c0qrpcLnZURSFm9LwT6cDVwY=; b=cW4InjVJIO83CLSumniK/EcBCm VGb1ySRskopMFLHK9aR0jJLWKS4/krorXnJA+bPzlUHGGGlTgzFh/2fcYoVQZDoM9SrtXtQqD8dCc xtXxmJnJAQ7Xf1EOsmyZ6pHvyjfhfmo5xMhw3T/5h8bRqLnwXH+1mCy0Tpyg3lgorPJI=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVB6E-0007zk-Ug; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:39:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jean-Christophe Helary's message of "Sun, 3 May 2020 17:21:52 +0900") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248665 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> On May 3, 2020, at 17:17, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> >> (The one thing s.el has, though, is an excellent overview of the >> functions: Just a list of all the functions, and examples that show how >> they work. This is what most people who are trying to use a new >> language wants -- very few people are interested in reading a manual.) > > And that is *very much* one of the things that is being discussed here :) Perhaps we should just have an in-Emacs solution for the discoverability problem. For instance, the doc strings of all the string related functions could have a link "For more string functions, click here" and then you're taken to a (info?) buffer that lists all the functions in the style of s.el's overview. That is, just function signatures and examples, no in-depth talk at all. (The functions could link to the "real" manual pages, of course.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no