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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254763 Archived-At: Hello everyone, This is my first time jumping onto the emacs-devel ML so don't be too harsh :P (also, I'm not subscribed, so if there are anyone wants to mention me, please CC me). Yesterday, Gregory Heytings wrote > FWIW, my own experience with this kind of tools is that those who do > not have initially a good non-technical reason to use it ... > This external motivation is necessary to "climb the learning curve", > so to speak, and "better" defaults will have no influence on it. If I may interject - I am exactly that user. I started using Emacs via. Doom early this year, and I honestly doubt that I would still be using it now otherwise. The motivating factor was annoyance with JupyterLab. Doom allowed me to 'get started' easily. Looking back on it now, had I had to "climb the mountain", I don't think I'd be here today. I think I can thank Doom for turning "climb the mountain" into "slide down the rabbit-hole". IMO the most significant factor is that Doom allowed me to "just get started" with the tasks which caused my lingering interest to manifest into installing. While now I couldn't imagine going without Emacs, that initial ease was crucial. If there is further interest in exactly how I think Doom worked for me when vanilla Emacs wouldn't, I'm more than happy to elaborate :) All the best, Timothy.