From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:48:59 +0300 Message-ID: <87y2ljqa3o.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <87h7s71ze5.fsf@nicksavage.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33237"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 16:49:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1Pm-0008VO-GV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 16:49:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53456 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1Pl-0005Sf-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:49:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1PH-00051V-Sx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:45433) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1PF-0007nW-On for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:49:07 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.206.236.86 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.206.236.86]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 893FDC0014 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:49:01 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <87h7s71ze5.fsf@nicksavage.ca> Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 10:35:22 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254878 Archived-At: On 2020-09-09 05:01 +03, Nick Savage wrote: > G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp writes: > I'll admit I'm atypical and I wouldn't expect the average humanities > student or professor to be using Emacs, no matter what, but I think > Emacs has a lot of value for people outside programming, especially with = org-mode. I=E2=80=99ve (almost) never programmed professionally either. Currently doi= ng an MA in linguistics. Emacs indeed has much value outside programming; potentially much more value for me and probably you too. But using Emacs without _any_ programming knowledge, or at any interest in learning even the tiniest bit to manage an init.el is, IMHO, kind of a dead end. Because sooner or later you=E2=80=99ll need it. And it=E2=80= =99s very easy, but sadly there=E2=80=99s a shortage of resources that make programmi= ng what it is---a rudimentary task, yet another UI to your computer---and teach it as such. I=E2=80=99m kinda getting lost in my sentences. What I want to say is, Ema= cs is not all that useful if you don=E2=80=99t want to do _any_ programming, incl= uding your init.el, which when you use, is programming. There are quite solid alternatives to Org mode that require no programming knowledge. There=E2= =80=99s Notion, there=E2=80=99s Roam Research (albeit I=E2=80=99d rather not touch = it), but also a couple very capable open source outliners. Chances are, a user that=E2= =80=99s completely disinterested in programming may make more use of these software. Similarly for LaTeX. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427