From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Caio Henrique Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 19:48:36 -0300 Message-ID: <87y2lhuu2j.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18182"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii , Yuri Khan , drew.adams@oracle.com, tecosaur@gmail.com To: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 00:49:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGVNV-0004cV-89 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:49:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52154 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGVNU-0003XS-7E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:49:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGVN0-00036j-4s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:48:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qv1-xf42.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::f42]:46911) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGVMx-0006DU-Ku; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:48:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qv1-xf42.google.com with SMTP id di5so4192797qvb.13; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:48:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XtbLjhG9D0hAEqeNtQ566rRxRIBAvuzQPQGM6uGAQwM=; b=fd+DNPVZg5nD5lZmcws6T5LLLXN60fQy0d3/of0+ERWk+YSmqv9N6oQpxE96VZqUf8 RkWfe6RZox5KENttEe0zeW5qxqzLHhUr7L5fIxLIMMH1tevErksH4wAnqKDC5g8EoonW 1kZ+zEvGV07qv3RvHvzXiz6mH+ESNK1l7ohnfXpd1e2YgzSnTYDKRBMyNLeTbdJMOiYt 5BIFkK2612GhsU6xzhDULQMXn2Hsmh/+17aCQdnJe0eELYl+Vl3RZ/5JtN+iC10RpxJs B240UD27gNhUqzXG9C7+ZqibNBwChn5qSqiCMYSoAIUF9DITA5C0qgVO0LjQQQIhVLL7 8laQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XtbLjhG9D0hAEqeNtQ566rRxRIBAvuzQPQGM6uGAQwM=; b=dbpWHK/NN0sPplR2nBay12CThnUDqwuURnKH+zTy6A+BVLN1qZ1BMbHW7oK2fOA1JF inK8kvgp0Ge7lg95ST/9Qs5JIISHeeak2mllFRc5xKeOYJoTngf+A2WtcROhMl7l12il 27SMQzPiOhZTIdnF2DctdHu5MOOh2gTwmPnHl6EjwwZobolWj4CRkLoxkjZpPOayE9om 3zCU80F0ltqOKjOE+AIR9kakqw9tcL6ERfgrH2BrZ3cEQYwGMgOTJ0+NIiaceU0Rw5g1 QWd2CePmOAkpZpVtKeJl9cID3Jw1NCGWvyD3rqjkRjK7eXxJ5UBpPklotmj3m/Dxa7bD zmjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533r/xSK68Py7bI8Mk6bhzJ+DEIi6GNXqqRdd70qAaU3vnimHQw1 JDTvPxALAcoJWPNQbXSkUrc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJze6C3p/CQ6idrHS8vq1pZRpo6t4SCWZJyjnFT4JXfG33RGQlHkcJEAi+M7VLgSLsPsRsLpNQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b30f:: with SMTP id s15mr10633943qve.106.1599778122280; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost.localdomain ([181.223.151.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r48sm228528qtb.26.2020.09.10.15.48.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 10 Sep 2020 15:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Caio Henrique In-Reply-To: <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> (=?utf-8?B?IkfDtmt0dcSf?= Kayaalp"'s message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:01:29 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f42; envelope-from=caiohcs0@gmail.com; helo=mail-qv1-xf42.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255061 Archived-At: G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp writes: > It appears that in Emacs we have the extra trouble of menu-bar-mode > being one of the first things people disable Yeah, I started using Emacs ~11 months ago. Disabling the menu-bar was the first thing that I did. I learned how to use Emacs watching these video tutorials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8Zkte37UOnA and on the first 5 minutes he teaches how to disable the menu-bar to make Emacs look more modern. As a beginner I loved these video tutorials. He has short videos that teaches how to install and configure use-package, which-key, then he shows how to change themes and fonts, then he gives an introduction to org-mode and teaches how to create a literate emacs configuration file, then he continues teaching how to install and configure ido-vertical, avy, rainbow-mode etc... Because of these video tutorials I never bothered trying Doom or Spacemacs, I just started creating my own configuration on vanilla. Besides not using the menu-bar, I also never looked the Emacs tutorial or the Emacs Guided Tour.