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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255045 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Yuri Khan >> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:56:41 +0700 >> Cc: G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp , >> Gregory Heytings , Yuan Fu , >> TEC , Emacs developers >>=20 >> > `Options' > >> > `Show/Hide' > >> > `Line Numbers for All Lines' >>=20 >> By CUA, Show/Hide should be a top-level menu named View. > > Emacs doesn't have a View menu. And frankly, in an editor, too many > things are about "viewing" for View to be of any use. > > Also, Options in many apps is not easily discovered, its place is not > fixed: sometimes in Tools, sometimes somewhere else. Emacs, being a > highly-customizable application, cannot avoid having Options at top > level. I wonder if it makes sense to link directly to the customize =E2=80=9Cfeatu= re=E2=80=9D (for the lack of a better word), i.e. to remove options from the menu and replace them with an item that essentially does =E2=80=9CM-x customize= =E2=80=9D. Customize provides an intuitive interface for many options and is not constrained by the limitations of a single menu. As a bonus it would lead users to learn more about Emacs and how to customize it. If the customize buffers are too intimidating or too =E2=80=9Cfull=E2=80=9D= , perhaps this means that we should find more groups and better organize them. --=20 Ricardo