From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:14:59 +0300 Message-ID: <87y2la3u58.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <83d02re2uk.fsf@gnu.org> <838sdfdzxo.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912121603.bsp53vgfwj3y62in@Ergus> <831rj7dvhg.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912131802.fiowctrzc2yx4ozu@Ergus> <83y2lfcdq2.fsf@gnu.org> <83d02pdb7b.fsf@gnu.org> <0deb5f7b-43f1-2611-b99d-327520eae158@yandex.ru> <83pn6o9y2z.fsf@gnu.org> <87bli7sew4.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31752"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: Ergus , Yuan Fu , Emacs developers , ghe@sdf.org, Dmitry Gutov , =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp , Eli Zaretskii To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 12:16:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIUU0-00086q-TG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45936 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIUTz-0004pq-Pu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 06:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIUT3-0004KE-Vq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 06:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:50721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIUT1-0003j1-RY; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 06:15:13 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.177.204.112 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.177.204.112]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60A34C0011; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 10:15:00 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/16 06:15:07 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255849 Archived-At: On 2020-09-16 06:30 +03, John Yates wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:01 AM G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp wrote: >> 3) Would it be possible to revert this back to the current behaviour >> with a user option? > Of course. That is the emacs way. And, were such minibuffer > behavior ever to become available, I cannot imagine it being > shipped as the default. It would be opt-in. Well that makes any other talk unnecessary. So long as it=E2=80=99s an add= ition and not a replacement (sorry for not noticing that part, a lot of suggestions in these threads are at the cost of breaking existing users=E2= =80=99 workflows that I read yours with some prejudice), it=E2=80=99s all the bett= er for everyone. Good old TIMTOWDY. >> 5) While a command palette at the bottom of the application is somewhat >> obscure, one up top is probably novel. Frankly I don=E2=80=99t like the = idea >> of having a single empty line right in the line of my sight, >> constantly, taking up space right where my eyes go by default when >> reading stuff. > You must live in a world devoid of title bars nor menu bars. FWIW, that=E2=80=99s been the case for a pretty long time, and even these d= ays where I=E2=80=99m on a more traditional desktop (Cinnamon) I rarely find my= self using menus. Tho the set of applications I consistently use is rather small (Emacs, Qutebrowser/Firefox, Okular, Zotero, Terminal every now and then), so I tend to know a decent chunk of keyboard shortcuts. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427