From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255935 Archived-At: Thibaut Verron writes: > I don't think that I'm the only one with this understanding, see for > example the earlier post suggesting the name newbie-mode (synonymous > to beginner-mode for me) with the idea that users would eventually > grow out of this mode, like training wheels. I don't consider any of > the suggested settings to be training wheels. Yeah, `newbie-mode' or anything similar to that would just be an insult. This should be an opinionated and curated selection of good modes and themes, and there's nothing "newbie" or "beginner" about that. And there should, of course, be more than one of these. Just give them fun names, like, say, "Doom" or "Quake". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no