From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tomas Hlavaty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: thunk.el: Document that thunk-force == funcall? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87y2izlusu.fsf@logand.com> References: <871rgs3tdx.fsf@web.de> <874klnnc6t.fsf@logand.com> <87o8jv3mue.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 17 19:11:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kf5RX-0000M5-RJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:11:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34470 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf5RW-0004tw-Tv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf5Pz-0003py-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:09:27 -0500 Original-Received: from logand.com ([37.48.87.44]:37016) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kf5Px-0001mw-BG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 13:09:27 -0500 Original-Received: by logand.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 298641A2B3D; Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:09:23 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: emacs 26.3 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) In-Reply-To: <87o8jv3mue.fsf@web.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=37.48.87.44; envelope-from=tom@logand.com; helo=logand.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/17 12:08:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259298 Archived-At: On Tue 17 Nov 2020 at 18:38, Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> a test predicate usually takes at least one argument > > I do not speak about tests involving an argument but rather things like > `something-is-the-case-but-it-takes-long-to-find-out-p' that are often > comfortably defined as a thunk if the result may matter at several > places. interesting i am struggling to imagine a use-case why would you delay such boolean value in a thunk? to avoid computing the value in case it is not used at all? when something-is-the-case how can it take long to find out? why it cannot be substituted with t at think-time?