From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Troy Hinckley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: (unknown) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 17:54:25 -0600 Message-ID: <87y29rs48j.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14921"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 28 01:55:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m8Wug-0003YG-Qb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2021 01:55:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8Wue-0008KX-Rc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:55:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8Wu4-0007b6-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi1-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::233]:38883) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m8Wu3-0002gH-TG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 19:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi1-x233.google.com with SMTP id u25so1471748oiv.5 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:54:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=QL1gwHddN8n4Yu7ZugM67vzakQJWesAAOmzYsafDF5o=; b=gulremU0pIajQH3SSw561CkkR9fA9Srl5uHK/g9c6LjU5EZxUi9NpMEFA233KjGf+J aiyFfBPwaV7YLKNHgL/XvCFPEFfM/lmMs/tpUqEJ2WU3w8AWl1LwfoQPTSNif10f6+7i X5AOyNsGeY7cIE7XXf6n39zSdtJGfVUUqw+YFwZHL9zUFdRkqyyfAa8AAfMqeMgurd3z x2C5Az4k/Fenm5UOoQd94Hk8A1p7biZhLRpAsJgWDwMGsfzJFSzIfJCfH8iAp6grZ4Cn U+d6M32HYTV5Sh13KGRZtNUZB7tKSqNFm0kxGbPSD8chj/hUdBpEUXwbyv8hiiG2Z08Z Q5cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=QL1gwHddN8n4Yu7ZugM67vzakQJWesAAOmzYsafDF5o=; b=jtb+iwak+G6Z0jxYtGsjOM32hzgj+mjXRNDIFvF2t0bzu1ajIj3qAdVlW4dQGInV/J XNBVXXiTB1rqPc9gOteOlnnE1FJWAHbUpX30FyPAl59udiomvIglDTA3O/gRT7zghr7b 5B8eq6UGEKjhHFLvU52fDq7UZCBJhwLS8yiagMskBMvT23jGvluXRglQxoRNrzW8yUY6 hQrDx40eWVjLjfczTxsFvGfpBUuB76+8ckNMOFyFwBzFX8+KLAibzD1VajA3nFF4+I/7 UI1LPrmFobT05icEARcNXqW7Hs/VZMcZAzFO0tcFmEQ36jWo/c3ZRBReKkJi6NqJpGDw cF9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5325pagTfgpK3yEFjivG6PRow+t5kOJNlZhM556+iLidokd7xq9d 1+HbQuK/9rgG673y4wu1UthTrOf67M0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx3/4cFeAhnRmR7jr2e1p4BnBQ8u0JjvYwDMPaXfRW+6yW0Xt89Qk88S3QXuOnNjmKtB3emaw== X-Received: by 2002:aca:180c:: with SMTP id h12mr6108531oih.60.1627430066137; Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from foco-Z97-HD3 (h96-61-43-42.ftcmco.broadband.dynamic.tds.net. [96.61.43.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j125sm363923oif.53.2021.07.27.16.54.25 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::233; envelope-from=troyhinckley@gmail.com; helo=mail-oi1-x233.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -2 X-Spam_score: -0.3 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_SUBJECT=1.799, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271710 Archived-At: Subject: Load order for elisp files User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 I am trying to better understand the bootstrap process for Emacs and I have run into a chicken and egg problem. When looking for where the basic functions are defined, I can see that defmacro and defun are defined in byte-run.el. However the code needed to evaluate a macro is in backquote.el. But backquote.el uses defun, which is defined in byte-run.el. Which of these files is loaded first, and how does Emacs work around this apparent causality dilemma?