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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294734 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:01:31 -0400 >>=20 >> > No, this means functions like `set-frame-position' can't move the = frame >> > on the screen. The only way to move the frame is by the user drag= ging >> > it with the mouse. >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> I don't know whether that limitation is necessary or justified in so= me way, >> but I think that most users don't use `set-frame-position'. Eli> Emacs itself uses set-frame-position. It also moves frames on dis= play Eli> via the 'top' and 'left' frame parameters. One notable case where Eli> this happens is the desktop.el package, which restores frame and Eli> window configuration of a previous Emacs session. And there are packages that want to put frames at specific positions, such as speedbar (plus the various "pop up frame" packages whose names I can=CA=BCt recall right now) Eli> So I think the inability to do that is quite a big deal for Emacs Eli> users. Yes. It=CA=BCs very annoying. Robert --=20