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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID eea9a9f6199b2a948686b29b026b9b3d; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 00:18:06 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <835yh3birw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Oct 2022 19:39:15 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20702 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.190.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic315-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296564 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > This is too much. You are removing words we used for decades in Emacs > development for no good reason. You think they are "just jargony and > unhelpful", but for me and others this part of our culture and our > history of involvement in the Emacs development. We treasure that > history. Right now, I feel like a chunk of my personal history has > been rewritten. > > There still are "other Emacsen" out there, even though most of them > are all but moribund nowadays. But even if they were completely dead, > the word doesn't have to be removed. It does no harm by just being > there. In addition, "Emacsen" refers not only to the "other Emacsen", but old versions of Emacs, many of which are still used (all the way back to CJK-modified versions of Emacs 19.5x.)