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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303662 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> They didn't need to do anything, because icon-frame-title was >> ineffective and Emacs used frame-title-format when minimized too. > > They don't need to do anything now, either, because the default value > of icon-frame-title is a string whose text is identical to that of > frame-title-format. If the user's config sets frame-title-format, after upgrading to 29 the title will be something else when the frame is minimized. >> > If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both >> > formats to two identical strings. The only reason to force Emacs to >> > use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that >> > those desktops misbehave. >> >> The reason to force Emacs to use the same string is to behave as most >> users expect, and to avoid hard-to-detect breakage on desktop automation >> setups that depend on the title of the window. >> >> That was explained in #61496. No need to rehash the discussion here. >> >> > So I don't see why we should remove the explanation. >> > >> >> OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective >> >> in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as >> >> when he moves to another virtual desktop. >> > >> > Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here. >> >> Again, it was explained in #61496. > > Look, you started this discussion. Now it sounds like you don't want > to continue it. Neither do I, as a matter of fact. I see no need to > change anything in the documentation of these features. I was just trying to point some totally unnecesary and potentially misleading text in the documentation: > +This is useful with some window managers and desktop environments > +which treat changes in frame's title as requests to raise the frame > +and/or give it input focus. I discovered that bug on KDE, I analyzed it, I reported it [1]. It is a bug specific of KDE and Emacs has nothing to do with it. There is nothing on the change to icon-frame-title that makes it a workaround for that bug. I don't understand why we have to discuss this, even less go back to a tangentially related topic that was already discussed and closed (#61496). 1. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465530