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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307001 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > > > We are discussing possible improvement to Emacs-specific contribut= ing > > > workflow. > >=20 > > It's hard to not be drawn into the bikeshedding, and I've failed, but > > perhaps if everyone realizes what this discussion is, it will stop. > > Why? There's possibility that "sending patches" will be improved as > result of the discussion, isn't that good? Perhaps something else > will come out of this as well, I can hope at least. > > The improvments suggested so far have been very superficial, and do > not change the way how one contributes to Emacs -- which was what was > the supposed hard part at the start of the discussion. In the discussion it became clear (at least to me) that the way to contribute is not the main complication, but the discoverability of that way and that the way seems hard when you see more than a sheet of paper in print as instructions. As a contributor I find "just send your patch by email" to be much easier than any other workflow. Though that may be due to using Emacs to send emails (via mu4e). 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