From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 16:18:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1hrqj7k.fsf@localhost> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <83jztgk410.fsf@gnu.org> <83edjojx8c.fsf@gnu.org> <8734zzv7vk.fsf@localhost> <83edjjecmx.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmxbtsd4.fsf@localhost> <83bkeneb8j.fsf@gnu.org> <87ledrtqzx.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="957"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "stefankangas@gmail.com" , "dmitry@gutov.dev" , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 18:18:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qbkN3-000AXq-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:18:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbkMl-0006KY-VD; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbkMY-0006BK-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qbkMV-00035Z-7M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:17:42 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C1B7240028 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:17:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1693498655; bh=CfDfiUEuK1R8ETp96IVN5eF9bjLJJnIBckMrFumZr3I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=lftPDsdt4qNA4BKo56l9z5gcvUXOBhYligBMRqsD+zMni5RrxSqXbyTOWvVpF+7pl yoKScaMn3dji6xhDP7p6o0OKcESXJQniTVksA3z2H//fRE6Qcp1coh5PDo025mSBap 1oOuAivJ7Y+VWHAB1MZCFv8nWFj6vLRteUiogejJITBrTxrKjgdqP/CqfbPHNDQOuc W/olELKS9S2+zkLmuKVlC/Zivijb3IGyz9rSo1lNYdwTJv0fB2S2JwvpioBSus8M4f fPowubmSbrFQM3/yic1uOEnhOYvWYx8mqHqr1JxTHeUuB3l0vz15iRML4K/zzdqU9f kpIHnBzWSzhqA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Rc5sp6CNZz6tsb; Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:17:34 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309678 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> Not all the users are even familiar with Git. >> But every Emacs user is expected to know how >> to M-x package-upgrade. > > Really? Who's expecting whom to expect > that? What's being based on such imposed > expectations? > ... > Expectations about "every Emacs user" > should be _very_ limited, perhaps even > zero. Maybe. But it is a reasonable ask to Emacs users to at least skim through Emacs manual and be familiar with basic terminology. Otherwise, we simply cannot communicate things efficiently. IMHO, "Emacs packages" is a part of basic terminology. But certainly not Git, which has no relation to Emacs, except to the Emacs packages that work with Git - specialized packages not aiming for all Emacs users. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at