From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:17:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87y1f7j0nd.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="741"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:+1JnpOK7uqAsM1CHJzEkFJq+fEA= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 09 06:35:34 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r0xhU-000AVv-Oz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 06:35:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0xgg-0005kn-Gu; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:34:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0rnV-0005ns-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:17:21 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0rnT-0006pV-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2023 18:17:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r0rnR-0009h5-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:17:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Nov 2023 00:34:39 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312379 Archived-At: João Távora wrote: >>> Throughout this long discussion, this indiscriminate use >>> of cl-lib has been supported only by occasional >>> contributers. Those who actually maintain other people's >>> code, apart from (I think) Eli, Richard and myself, have >>> been conspicuously silent. >> >> I like cl-lib (it could be optimized better still, but it's >> good for certain uses), and this discussion doesn't look >> like it will reach any constructive conclusion, so it >> didn't seem worth it to spend time on it. > > If it needed any confirmation, I too like cl-lib and I too > help maintain other people's code in the Emacs core tree as > well as maintaining a number of libraries I have authored. > I read many styles of Elisp here and am not really phased by > any particular programming technique being discussed here > (cl-lib, seq, pcase, verbose while loops with catch/throw, > etc etc). I like cl-lib and I maintain an ELPA package [1] - ELPA, as we know, is part of GNU Emacs. It doesn't use cl-lib. Okay, so bad example then. [1] https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/wrap-search.html -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal