From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: combining cond and let, to replace pcase. Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: <87y1erbj4n.fsf@web.de> References: <878r6u3s7f.fsf@web.de> <831qcmklys.fsf@gnu.org> <87v89x3o19.fsf@web.de> <83v89xki0p.fsf@gnu.org> <87pm053l5s.fsf@web.de> <83r0klkdio.fsf@gnu.org> <87il5wcu9m.fsf@web.de> <83ttpgidoi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24817"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:y1Zdqyqayuy9OXzHpI741Isv9Rk= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 21 09:34:08 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r5MCt-00068O-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:34:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5MCX-0001Ts-8n; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 03:33:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5MCW-0001TK-07 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 03:33:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r5MCU-0006Dt-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 03:33:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r5MCQ-0005WH-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:33:39 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313098 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > You don't need to prove how you feel, but I respectfully request that > before you make such feelings public, you double-check your feelings > with the actual postings. I assure you they are there for a reason. > It is quite possible that your initial interpretation of what you've > read was not the only one. This is supposed to be a rational > discussion, not one based on feelings. As far as I know, there is no rational discussion between humans, this is naïve wishful thinking. This discussion has been _highly_ emotional from the beginning, and not because of me. It had been based on feelings to a large extent. Just not explicitly. As far as I know, hiding feelings behind arguments leads to more subliminal aggression, leads to women staying out of the discussion (has anyone ever wondered why nearly no women are present here?) and lets discussions escalate more quickly, as we already have seen in this thread. Please don't misunderstood: of course should any discussion revolve around arguments and ideas. But we are humans and also have to deal with that aspect. So far, we haven't dealt with it in an optimal way, in my opinion. Michael.