From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremy Bryant Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 21:16:43 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1c398u8.fsf@jeremybryant.net> References: <874jetaxri.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16070"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: justin@burkett.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 01 22:25:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rVeYg-0003xq-RR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 22:25:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVeXu-0004v7-0h; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:24:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVeXs-0004uj-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:24:28 -0500 Original-Received: from out-189.mta0.migadu.com ([91.218.175.189]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVeXm-0007u8-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 16:24:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jeremybryant.net; s=key1; t=1706822659; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=qu+Xt0OrBM5kDrKKCT4ldTTzEbZA6yk3HiNa2MtY2Y8=; b=U3ZUkgU2WFo1kEqIzbvzRXHmUDir0Q5NxUQGZbqzZdgePmxevdstdm1sqrq09P74nKMvoZ g3RIbK7rR6x1XZkA62RgJfutrRXd6yvFpWLdiG+O4J53joVMKtAnqoauhVAEdRqWes997d o3L7VMl7a4EDsIeTwDFA7oSOcJd5S7+dWiFbtgpwVnAuB+vgpVm5h1aPrrunMLQoupM50I 6+aMR2RcfRglWIkz1gT3tDAwLw9u3h/L5w883jfO34pj0sbjZoSBwe2cdaShdhvOrl9VHW tle0/SHEt1dWTVE5Xpy7tMDoKlxPL8TD1LvAJQGIPdtSoH3dh68iPgSP/Q0UgQ== X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. In-reply-to: <86fryc1vsh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Received-SPF: pass client-ip=91.218.175.189; envelope-from=jb@jeremybryant.net; helo=out-189.mta0.migadu.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315720 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jeremy Bryant >> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 23:23:29 +0000 >> >> A recent theme of discussion has been improving discoverability of Emacs >> features, and in a related way, 'better defaults'. >> >> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable >> by for new users. > > How do we detect "new users"? Good question, how about a user entry on the splashscreen? > If we include which-key, but do not enable it by default, would that > be good enough? Yes. How can I help with this? Move the .el files from the ELPA package into lisp/ ? Manual entry- ? > > Another idea is to add a feature whereby, after some delay after the > user types an incomplete key sequence, the buffer usually popped by > C-h or '?' pops up automatically. This would be a smaller change in > the UX, which might therefore be more easily acceptable even by > not-so-new users. Interesting, which buffer and part of the code is this? (it seems to appear in *Help*)