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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 035a3601c65dcd4f17b32e85967dfd52; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 14:25:47 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Daniel Colascione's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:48:26 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22407 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.185.31; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic313-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320537 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > Opt-out collection of anonymous metrics has been an industry standard > for many years now. There's nothing morally objectionable about > it. It's perfectly normal. Proprietary software is also an industry standard, and it is equally, no, yet more normal. Whether you agree that it is morally objectionable or no, it is one of the fundamental tenets of the creed of the Free Software movement, of which the GNU Project is a prominent element. Child labor, you will find, was also the norm in the cradle of the Industrial Revolution (doubtless an industry standard!), and the slave trade was a remarkably profitable venture for many a merchant till the 1900s. And I certainly find objectionable software that connects to the Internet without my informed consent. > Nor would there be anything about asking users "Collect anonymous > metrics to help Emacs development? Y/N" on first startup. This is by definition "opt-in", which produces results that, by your own admission, are totally meaningless. It would also be irritating.