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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321238 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Only if you are young enough to not have C-j burned into your muscle > memory as what RET does in most places in Emacs nowadays. > > Old Sun keyboards had an LFD key, and Emacs used it a lot in old > versions. Which made C-j anything but a simple newline key. I think by "less embellished C-j or RET", I meant a command that inserts a line feed character, which remains the same whether entered as Ctrl+j or XK_Linefeed on the keyboard. > And having to quote a key is a sign of a key-binding bug in my book. What's the alternative?