From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Newbie Info Pages Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 04:39:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87y13n121p.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <86ttekjbxk.fsf@gnu.org> <51D1701A-4E38-4D8F-9D9C-ABDD7013933E@summerstar.me> <877cb92xd7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <68a1044b-90b5-4abf-98a7-afc52518c11e@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26199"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:W1BOWF5+YoOlR6mO84nO1JkOP2g= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 20 07:36:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1srWJX-0006dK-2Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:36:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srWIp-0006a1-W4; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 01:35:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srTYh-0002ka-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srTYg-00033T-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 22:39:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1srTYe-0001tD-B4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 04:39:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 01:35:34 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323801 Archived-At: Juergen Fenn wrote: > Maybe a section in the tutorial for those using Emacs not > for writing code, but for writing prose would be > a good idea? Yes, absolutely, if someone is willing and able to do that in a good way. But even better IMO would be to find out what runs counter-intuitive to the majority of those people, what it is they struggle with. So we can fix that. And this is actually the same for programmers. So we treat the majority good by handing them Emacs as they expect it. And we treat the minority good by still offering the configuration/extension possibility. Because then we have the majority _and_ the minority! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal