From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl (Janusz S. =?iso-8859-2?q?Bie=F1?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: additional improvement of Polish tutorial Date: 17 Aug 2002 23:21:39 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87wuqpyye4.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> References: <87znvtjz06.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> <87u1luyfxr.fsf@mimuw.edu.pl> <200208170451.g7H4pCE08667@wijiji.santafe.edu> Reply-To: jsbien@mimuw.edu.pl NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1029615973 24184 127.0.0.1 (17 Aug 2002 20:26:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, wierzcho@polbox.com, rysiek@ipipan.gda.pl Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17gA9C-0006Hr-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:26:10 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17gAZo-0004iN-00 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gAAF-0005QX-00; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:27:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17gA9z-0005Q7-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17gA9w-0005Pd-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([193.0.96.2]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gA9v-0005PL-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 14583 invoked by uid 83); 17 Aug 2002 20:26:52 -0000 Original-Received: from ws4040a.mimuw.edu.pl (HELO grafem.mimuw.edu.pl) (root@10.1.2.52) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl with SMTP; 17 Aug 2002 20:26:47 -0000 Original-Received: by ws4040a.mimuw.edu.pl via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.114) for wierzcho@polbox.com; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:26:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org Original-Lines: 61 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.90 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:6608 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:6608 On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 Richard Stallman wrote: > The present version preserves the addition made by the original > translators - it starts with some advice what to do if the Polish > letters are not displayed correctly. Perhaps it would be good to > extend all non-ASCII tutorials in this way? > > Can you translate it to English and make it a bit more general? > Then it could make sense to put into the English version > and it would eventually propagate into other versions. The really elegant solution consists in making PROBLEMS file also language dependent: when `C-h t' opens `TUTORIAL.pl', `C-h P' should open `PROBLEMS.pl' instead of `PROBLEMS'. Then the following text should be sufficient: You are looking at the Emacs tutorial. If it contains non-ASCII (non-English?) letters (characters?) which are not displayed correctly, consult `Emacs Known Problems' in `Help' menu. Is it short enough not to cause the problem mentioned below? > > Is this the text that you mean? > > Niniejszy akapit celowo nie zawiera polskich liter. Jesli polskie znaki > w dalszej czesci podrecznika nie sa poprawnie wyswietlane, to znaczy, ze > Twoj Emacs nie zostal jeszcze prawidlowo skonfigurowany. Pomoc w tym > zakresie mozesz znalezc pod adresem: > Yes. > > What is the URL for? It is a Polish site devoted especially to problems with handling Polish letters by computer software. Ryszard Kubiak, the main translator of the tutorial, may provide more information if needed. > > One thing I worry about is that the first screen is now too long to > fit properly in a 24-line terminal. The instructions at the bottom > for how to scroll won't appear! That's a real problem! I hope the translators will propose a solution. Regards Janusz -- , dr hab. Janusz S. Bien, prof. UW Prof. Janusz S. Bien, Warsaw Uniwersity http://www.orient.uw.edu.pl/~jsbien/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Na tym koncie czytam i wysylam poczte i wiadomosci offline. On this account I read/post mail/news offline.