From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bootstrap problem with union Lisp_Object Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:43:44 -0500 Message-ID: <87wtibiti7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <55DA5764-DDB6-4858-9CE2-065857CDC863@gnu.org> <3AFF0594-F842-4079-9A3B-D1CF7358A281@raeburn.org> <0D268F0D-B278-4307-86E3-E0FCE7A3B57B@raeburn.org> <87pso6anui.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134312980 26928 80.91.229.2 (11 Dec 2005 14:56:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 11 15:56:11 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSc6-0004Hs-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:55:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElScX-0000A9-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:56:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSQy-0001gf-Kx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:16 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSQw-0001eu-91 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElSQv-0001eU-ND for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:44:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [18.95.6.185] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElSST-00020g-FR; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:45:49 -0500 Original-Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95C6B1E42BB; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:43:46 -0500 (EST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:02:23 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47454 Archived-At: "Richard M. Stallman" writes: > Starting the pretest is not the same as making a release. As others > have pointed out, the couple of bugs that are still in FOR-RELEASE can > be worked on during the pretest; > > LOTS of bugs have been reported in the past two weeks, and I think > many have not been worked on at all. We are already out about more > bugs faster than we are fixing them, and the cause is simple: we are > not working enough on fixing them. To help us move towards a release, > please fix some of these bugs! As Kim has mentioned, it is unclear what bugs you are referring to. There are only a couple of bugs listed in FOR-RELEASE. The bugs in emacs-pretest-bug, which are usually minor problems, get fixed at about the same rate as they are being reported, i.e. after a few days. Maybe the reason you have the idea that bugs aren't being fixed because developers sometimes don't send a follow-up email to the list when they check their fix into CVS. Because CVS Emacs is already widely used, there is going to be a constant stream of bug reports/feature requests. Without a more explicit and reasonable criteria for the release, the impression you're sending is that there is no end in sight for the Emacs 22 release process. This is a severe disincentive to working on Emacs. Note that most of the other key Emacs developers have chimed in with similar sentiments in this thread. > There is also other work in FOR-RELEASE which is just straightforward > work, rather than debugging. Can you be more specific about what you're referring to?