From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Icon update Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:04:40 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <87wte5f9h3.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <2014.1143413876@olgas.newt.com> <2055.1143413986@olgas.newt.com> <858xqvek7c.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4428D8BB.8050701@swipnet.se> <442A5D49.1000302@swipnet.se> <442B8350.3050902@swipnet.se> <87odznu3gp.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <442D1EEE.1000705@swipnet.se> <10546.1143826655@olgas.newt.com> <442E6FD5.4090406@swipnet.se> <7753.1143908567@olgas.newt.com> <4430C08E.3090705@swipnet.se> <87irpqgvlu.fsf@olgas.newt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1144177536 9150 80.91.229.2 (4 Apr 2006 19:05:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 19:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 04 21:05:35 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqqK-00031t-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:05:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqqJ-000560-NT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqq6-00052t-MI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:05:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqq5-000519-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:05:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqq5-00050x-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:05:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FQqtQ-0000or-AQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:08:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FQqps-0002wy-Os for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([68.166.37.206]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from wohler by h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 21:05:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: h-68-166-37-206.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zKABaK3wa3J4AN4Tv62uqy/uV24= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52405 Archived-At: Bill Wohler writes: > I don't think we'd want to do this. I'll ask what the GNOME usability > folks what they recommend we use for these functions and report back > here. Indeed. Here's a summary: 1. There was a mention that there might be too many icons and that an overhaul of the icons might happen someday. 2. Yelp (the GNOME equivalent of the info reader) used the next and previous icons as I had suggested, but later removed them as they weren't helpful. Note that these were used at the bottom of the page with the other navigation icons rather than on the tool bar. Until a consistent nomenclature and metaphor for structural and temporal navigation appears from the GTK/GNOME teams, I think it might be best just to leave these *_node icons as they are for now. Here are a couple of other thoughts that are worth sharing. The former seems reasonable, while the second might not be too popular ;-). 1. It would be nice if "M-x info" launched Yelp on GNOME systems. 2. It would be nice if we used Docbook instead of Texinfo. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.