From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 22.2 release plans Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: <87wsogt80d.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> References: <874pbwvmlv.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87ir01krr7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87lk4wena2.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <9g63w0eleu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204802438 13469 80.91.229.12 (6 Mar 2008 11:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 06 12:21:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JXE9i-0003Fw-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:20:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXE9A-0004Vo-4Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:20:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXE8B-0003OW-Sx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JXE8A-0003Mz-7q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:19:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JXE8A-0003Mr-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:19:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk ([212.88.64.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JXE89-0007GH-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:19:21 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 87682 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2008 11:19:19 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk) (213.83.150.21) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Mar 2008 11:19:19 -0000 In-Reply-To: <9g63w0eleu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed\, 05 Mar 2008 19\:38\:49 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91484 Archived-At: Glenn Morris writes: > Something like this? It should be up near the top (in "Installation > Changes" or a separate section): > > "We plan to discontinue support for some older systems in Emacs 23.1. > These systems are still supported in Emacs 22.2, but configure will > not complete without manual intervention. If you encounter one of > these systems, and believe it should continue to be supported, please > make your voice known at emacs-devel@gnu.org." It still find it confusing: If you need "manual intervention" (such as editing the configure script) to make Emacs 22 compile on a certain platform, then IMO the system is _not_ supported on Emacs 22. So speaking about "plan to discontinue support in 23.1" seems meaningless when Emacs 22 itself doesn't compile (out of the box) on that system. So either you discontinue those systems in 22.2, or you make Emacs 22.2 compile on those systems. Breaking "configure" is effective - but IMO not the right place - to ask people to "make your voice known"... My suggestion is that configure simply prints the following blurb at the END of the configure output - so it is clearly visible to the target users: --------------- WARNING -------------------------------------- SYSTEM-XXX is considered an potentially obsolete system by the Emacs development team, so Emacs 22.2 may be the last release to officially support it. Since you still use Emacs on such a system, and you want to continue using future Emacs versions on it, please make your voice known to the developers at emacs-devel@gnu.org. -------------------------------------------------------------- -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk