From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:25:41 +0100 Message-ID: <87wsod2f2i.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205004362 8560 80.91.229.12 (8 Mar 2008 19:26:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:26:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 08 20:26:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY4ga-0004SG-Mx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:26:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4g2-00028U-In for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:25:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4fy-000274-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:25:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4fx-00026B-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:25:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4fx-000261-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:25:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-relay.sonofon.dk ([212.88.64.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY4fx-0000q1-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:25:45 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 11094 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 19:25:42 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-lx.rd.rdm.cua.dk) (213.83.150.21) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 19:25:42 -0000 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu\, 06 Mar 2008 12\:07\:13 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91754 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> It also gives you the rectangle highlighting (which I think most >> users would agree is quite useful) combined with the ability to >> use the normal region kill, copy and yank keys also for rectangles. >> So there's no need to learn a different command set for rectangles! > > Actually, I think the rectangle support is good, although I'd like it to > be a bit more like the normal region highlighting (e.g. same color, That would be ok with me (as the default for a new `rectangle' face). > C-g > should deactivate it, It does! If not, you've found a bug. Please tell me how to repeat it. > should be allowed to have 0-width). Why? > The C-g part > is important: I found it difficult to figure out how to "exit" from the > "rectangle-mode". > > Also I'm not convinced by the special M-foo bindings Some or all of them? What's the alternative? > and the special > treatment of self-insert-command. I find it extremely useful - but of course, it could be an advanced option. > Maybe it's just that I'm used to it, > but I find C-x r t to work at least as well if not better (e.g. it's > not limited to self-inserting keys). The self-insert-char feature inserts OUTSIDE the rectangle, so I don' see how it compares to C-x r t? E.g. to put ( ) around all lines of a rectangle, just mark the rectangle (top-down), and enter ) RET ( . Can you do that faster with C-x r t ? BTW, M-s is equivalent to C-x r t (I believe). -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk