From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Native scrollbars? Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:46:38 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87wryhjob5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ljffx7zr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bpg90x1s.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B7605BF.10404@harpegolden.net> <873a15x02e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpftldc6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4B7699A9.2090100@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1266065232 20868 80.91.229.12 (13 Feb 2010 12:47:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:47:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 13:47:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgHOt-0001Ot-S4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:47:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42450 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgHOt-0001v7-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NgHOn-0001us-J7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42196 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgHOn-0001uk-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgHOm-0000ei-6R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:60812) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgHOl-0000ee-TZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgHOk-0001Fj-Ui for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:46:58 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c2318.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.35.24]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:46:58 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2318.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:46:58 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2318.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QW2XUV/C1EruNKM9jJsOtxVRl58= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121100 Archived-At: Jan Djärv writes: > David Kastrup skrev: > >> Toolkit native scrollbars are the default with Emacs. They don't annoy >> a lot of users apparently. Probably also because the geek demographic >> of Emacs is different from that of XEmacs. >> > > IMHO, the XEmacs Lucid scroll bars look much better than Emacs native > scrollbars. I think that may be a factor also. I was of the opinion that both used the same code (Lucid), so it would probably just be a matter of the default settings. Personally, I use (setq-default scroll-bar-width 15) -- David Kastrup