From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: python.el changes in emacs-24 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:48:58 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87wqb3zwid.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <53CE0AF1.7060602@online.de> <53CFCA3B.1010904@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406144973 14447 80.91.229.3 (23 Jul 2014 19:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:49:33 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 21:49:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XX-0001Xb-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:49:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XW-0002Qh-L0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XP-0002Q0-NJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:49:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XH-0000ra-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:49:19 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:58912) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XH-0000r1-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XA2XG-0001I7-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:49:10 +0200 Original-Received: from x2f41a37.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.26.55]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:49:09 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by x2f41a37.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:49:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f41a37.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HzIhVg3PFlLxTJ7TTwIMrY0x8A4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173107 Archived-At: Tim Visher writes: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Paul Eggert wrote: >> On 07/23/2014 10:37 AM, Tim Visher wrote: >>>> >>>> We're not in the business of competing, >>> >>> What business are you in then? >> >> >> Freedom for software users. Please see: >> >> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html > > So isn't the best way to get people to experience the freedom they > could if they used Emacs is by convincing them via its transparent > awesomeness? :) I am not convinced of the awesomeness of the purportedly most transparent U.S. administration in history. It's not really a roaring success in the "experience the freedom" department. At any rate, I am distrustful of any argument relying on the catchiness of buzzphrases. -- David Kastrup