From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:14:55 -0600 Message-ID: <87wq65ztm8.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> References: <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <20141205181914.GF3120@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417814126 22134 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 21:15:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 21:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 22:15:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0Db-0003a2-0N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:15:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52483 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0Da-0004ks-J1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:15:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0DR-0004h9-6l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:15:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0DK-0008Va-Mk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]:61711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx0DK-0008VU-ID; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:14:58 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id rp18so1501897iec.38 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:14:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=P+Ap/c736y8ljhjw7eCmnceDMwYJKpSWBlGZ39fX7kU=; b=duuYhFkr9ofdC5GE6lNESehx3XGJll0OO+zo7BWNwBT20VbQtmfV2V5wEmf6KAl/gX clmUpJixQvGIr8ZcnEuDNm9rkXb67ouCsLducPZO1NG6PsLK5BcVmI6m82RE6iKNqxYv 6x9QN/UTNkC587deWqFoEfvANbtTqIl01/7yaZJwbKsEx2h7C0hv+dgn0lq4uImNArR7 XtArWFc66RYvS9fKqG9JD3P7dxVJ8JYoSjgR1Wqwj3/LwJpyAD33qmnv524FcKr731Am f3ZwKEAKw1sWMYRelAAPTydUbTmYCrxUd1sFxGtEGmyCGTeN+Kt79bnmoxs8QGmqcI2B mazA== X-Received: by 10.107.39.80 with SMTP id n77mr665032ion.72.1417814098069; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:14:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ktab.red-bean.com (74-92-190-113-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i184sm16535531ioi.33.2014.12.05.13.14.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:14:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20141205181914.GF3120@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Fri, 5 Dec 2014 13:19:14 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179013 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: >My meta-plan is to identify barriers to new developers, one by one, >and dynamite them. > >Not being on git was a *biiiig* one. The disorganized and >undiscoverable state of Emacs's internal documentation is another, >which is one reason one of my next minor to-dos is cleaning out the /etc >attic. (setq beers_owed_esr (1+ beers_owed_esr))