From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:49:54 -0600 Message-ID: <87wq5q9hul.fsf@gmail.com> References: Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418845860 28021 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2014 19:51:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com To: emacs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 17 20:50:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KcW-00079n-44 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:50:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51317 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1KcV-0004K9-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50956) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Kc4-0004J4-8J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:50:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Kbt-0004SU-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:50:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ob0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230]:38512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1Kbt-0004Rt-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id vb8so5562198obc.7 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:50:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:reply-to:cc:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=8LCI5nN0rW55xhPHlk5NcukM3jfnTUIFbXfCy7oSN9A=; b=E2cBZybqTuP6PIeHtTqZfzwfuOl9dprlbQ9L11f+5mhxf49YoSHEIBz/R2hIqEMrrB uJf03iQrTB8lqNe6nu/GG51635GtTEYq3KkwAgMt4z21AtU1JNsC3BN54TjPS8IJPvv4 kCoWU79dlHQL5gGBBKwwUSJAZqKerjt+sncWhxbST1x4cJbpUFgq/AdL6TF9xvAxjbvS 1PZCVZ7uR2HNSBizGLYrba9PjO2RMJZO16ZtvDKvs520ll5AQDx5O5q6ZhaZCPVyAKIT 1xj9AJAQMmMLY7GXGDWt3ZCSoi7dMOhtM8POHs9V58c5MGPxdL7514LHFz0webwxIL8a fDHg== X-Received: by 10.202.208.199 with SMTP id h190mr7552023oig.29.1418845812370; Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:50:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from belanger-home (184-155-90-233.cpe.cableone.net. [184.155.90.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pu4sm2180860obb.5.2014.12.17.11.50.10 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:50:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Sven Axelsson's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:54:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180246 Archived-At: > I have watched several of the recent threads regarding changing the > documentation tool chain for no reason whatsoever from the sideline. > And I really can't understand what's going on. There have been a couple reasons listed. First, to increase the web presence. To be honest, I don't know what this has to do with texinfo at all. (Maybe I missed something.) Second, because texinfo version 5 is slow. This second problem seems to be the only real issue, and it seems that we should try to fix it. Richard put some pressure on the bzr developers when we were using that; perhaps he should put some pressure on the texinfo developers. (I think that Stefan and Eli have already brought it up to the texinfo developers.) > If the only remaining reason for this change is to attract new, young > and hip contributors, That's been brought up, but it's also pretty clear that if someone wants to submit doc changes in some sort of markdown, there are people here who will translate it to texinfo.