From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: HTML-Info design Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:56:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87wq5a7e68.fsf@building.gnus.org> References: <87vbl2xigp.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <83ioh2nlow.fsf@gnu.org> <87sig6xech.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <83fvc5ni0u.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31fwwyv.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87bnmq9ibf.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87lhlrx5fc.fsf@building.gnus.org> <878uhrcr5l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <83sifzjflk.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvbyagaw.fsf@building.gnus.org> <871tnibsu7.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87y4pq8zcy.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87wq5aabqt.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87egri8wg0.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87sifya7sc.fsf@violet.siamics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419861426 17214 80.91.229.3 (29 Dec 2014 13:57:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:57:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 29 14:56:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aoa-0007Ky-PS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:56:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aoa-0004gL-10 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:56:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53810) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aoW-0004fn-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:56:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aoR-0002yg-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:56:52 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:34488) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5aoR-0002xa-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 08:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 2.150.68.69.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.150.68.69] helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Y5any-0001Wj-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:56:18 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAMFBMVEVHicja5eT///7///9M jspNjbx0epFilcZimMyrq7YLDQ5BdrExPFpDh8dWlMlWltBDJEBgAAABWElEQVQ4jcXUL27DMBQG cIPSgSQo0C4azS4wENyRBVWKNGKpUunU3aBBm5JIld4FBnKFaheYCnqBsWGPFi17z//mJC0a2Kcq qb+fHYNYYTcXwv4bhBtk+uegjgF4nDb8OuKpSGshLOxWACBXIOVOSsBLYyESQkQi5hEXHP8KPrcg ARpck0I93DyLAHAX4OnDCIRLLILMWbYZ5MneE5btKW8fo7QaJrWFScsMBIXPFcKwnM3yPL9lzMGR yvw3LNFwHLYUDcdJbQAfbEe9Sf6pwU2/632UUgQ0fxHUff+tgXr11U9h2lu4zxdK+e5UVS+0iQZl AUsbA7iAnlUFeSYolYZTCNuNA1UNe4JiAlvzaotyBO6dF3oJHgM/24OVMI8GyhAUFsWy1aAXmXux 1Mdp39pzFeZA8XAI8t51HYIfd2EQurP5M7zKtZQriRnDei0PhARwNsnFL8MPu3QqLeJkL3kAAAAA SUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: burn's _304 (Moon Base Big)_: "Wire!Red_Barked_Tree!01-Please_Take" In-Reply-To: <87sifya7sc.fsf@violet.siamics.net> (Ivan Shmakov's message of "Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:45:55 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1Y5any-0001Wj-KT MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1420466180.63606@BV545OwjPJPxYLrf76hCRA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180821 Archived-At: Ivan Shmakov writes: > Given that SHR only does columns inside , =96 using the > closest
or ancestor for the purpose would solve > the issue. At some point, eww will also support CSS layouts. > However, given that using tables for layout tends to create > accessibility issues out of nothing (did I hear someone saying > Emacspeak in this discussion?), why exactly can=92t we provide > the > user a way to get rid of all the =93layout=94 tables at once? The layouts sometimes have semantic meaning, and there's no easy way to separate a "layout table" from a "non-layout table". I just got a ticket confirmation email, for instance, that had a lot of "bla bla", but would have been completely incomprehensible if the things that needed to be lined up hadn't been lined up. People use layouts because they use layouts, and eww should strive, within what's practical given Emacs' layout engine, to replicate those layouts. Having a "readability" command to make the layout go away can also be nice in some circumstances, but that should remain a user command. As it is now. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/