From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nikolaus Rath Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The current state of the comment-cache branch Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:56:25 -0800 Message-ID: <87wpei7jye.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> References: <20161223215056.GA2771@acm.fritz.box> <83fuldzre1.fsf@gnu.org> <20161224083054.GA2212@acm.fritz.box> <83bmw1zoy8.fsf@gnu.org> <20161224094246.GD2212@acm.fritz.box> <20161224113620.GF2212@acm.fritz.box> <20161227175500.GD2324@acm.fritz.box> <83y3z0ukth.fsf@gnu.org> <871swsf1es.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <83pokcugit.fsf@gnu.org> <87y3yzehc2.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <83d1gbv1rt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1483030638 20772 195.159.176.226 (29 Dec 2016 16:57:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:57:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 29 17:57:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cMe0t-0004jg-Gq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 17:57:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36399 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMe0y-0002uD-Ew for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:57:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59749) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMe0K-0002sr-NU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMe0J-0000Me-Tv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:36 -0500 Original-Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:50228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cMe0D-0000M1-RZ; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:30 -0500 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54ED3207BC; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:27 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= smtpout; bh=wYnhmJb/BcofYt814mgAxoHVY4w=; b=AIDIty3yOijvugQ4Fqgw SrpSvzxaPC1ICjg9fxcQ1AZ4TqDJQULf7NVG7lgIYuDXrU1o6DklGcv2hBxun5AO IjB2PI5+QWxleQRbLHryaPiVGxG8c3lu0+2dKzi0xJzGIwceTn77vADswzt530Zx v1E1biIgvpOOZPOjvFDoLrA= X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: azy3L3rR0VfvFx+7VnuMoOpgjP1k7+uvaJTCOYv7qWUN 1483030587 Original-Received: from ebox.rath.org (ebox.rath.org [45.79.69.51]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 106237E7F1; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 11:56:27 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from thinkpad.rath.org (thinkpad [192.168.12.2]) by ebox.rath.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3412D2BE; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by thinkpad.rath.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D32DABFF01; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <83d1gbv1rt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 Dec 2016 05:43:02 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210962 Archived-At: On Dec 29 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Nikolaus Rath >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:58:53 -0800 >>=20 >> >> I would hope that Emacs is used not only to edit its own source code = but >> >> also other code, for which these standards don't apply. >> > >> > It is, but how is that relevant to the issue at hand? The issue at >> > hand is how does open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start affect C code >> > editing. The intent of my reference to GNU standards was to point >> > out that having an opening brace in column zero is a very frequent >> > situation in the C sources of any GNU project, and therefore saying >> > this convention is not useful for C flies in the face of the reality >> > right under our feet. >>=20 >> What I meant is that setting open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start to t >> in general is not a good idea, because it does not work for all C >> files. So for this option to be useful, you'd have to do set it >> conditionally - which IMO restricts its usefulness a lot. > > We have that option set to t for a long time, so the decision whether > to do it was already made, and any problems that could cause are > already with us. Yes. Therefore, I think applying a patch that eliminates the need for it completely would be a good thing. Best, -Nikolaus --=20 GPG encrypted emails preferred. 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