From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 06:59:56 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87woscjtn1.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> References: <444779489.8504194.1534538988289.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <444779489.8504194.1534538988289@mail.yahoo.com> <83sh3cfb3t.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535346018 4668 195.159.176.226 (27 Aug 2018 05:00:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:00:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 27 07:00:14 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9dO-00018A-B7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:00:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51338 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9fU-00068l-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:02:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37079) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9eJ-00067t-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9eD-0005Lp-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:01:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12]:36008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9eC-0005Iy-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:01:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1535346060; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=Sender:References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=YGZV2mVLX0dPAxlwl/awzkNGGIZhjaWs5eRAaOKnedc=; b=mXrIVhWF0QtRfG5EtpI4sHKWGmcByrtCq4dW4fFuv2b0MDTnVFfYoZ3Ob/MLOy/qoD 9+z3f94sZtlOAPipptFEDmX1AownW29CHbxuuUdwmU/B7W3Bz1U4IuisavM01BZi9zrL ilIM0lZb4efyRiUf30O89Uc45zdSdLclG+2R5ls+i+qSk6yGOpkPTFyPRmsQdPEFcwav PfEliCrdMS6FTS6Fr9mtryBy1LA9cNE/hNMzWEEh8BiF9Yo8vD1gWv27PgLZ8f6jP1Dr O0+TOvCod3hRP0jAv866HqLQ5NbadEWPaku6uMj9ukYk1OmTA0acTge59XZuBs1yiFTo bL+A== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from lee by himinbjorg.adminart.net with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fu9e6-0001FG-Tm; Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:00:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:23:29 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5300::12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228961 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> How about getting new users in the first place? Ergus is right that >> Emacs is not the default editor --- I always have to explicitly install >> it and it always annoys me that it isn't installed by default for any of >> Centos, Debian, Gentoo, Fedora. Ubuntu and arch probably don't have a >> good default, either. Instead, you always need to guess which editor >> might be installed unless you installed one, and that is usually at >> least vi, which I don't get along with. > > AFAIK even `vi` is not installed by default. It seems to be in Fedora. Debian uses nano; I don't know if vi is still installed along with it. > IOW, by default, there is basically no text editor installed. And while > I also find it annoying I think it makes a lot of sense: the majority of > computer users don't even know what is a text editor, nor would they > know what to do with one. There isn't really much to do with a computer without an editor. That is how the majority of people doesn't know what they can do with a computer, and how they can not be called "users". So it doesn't make sense not to install an editor by default. Someone might find it and learn and eventually evolve into a user.