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From: handa <handa@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: etc/HELLO markup etc.
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 16:23:24 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wons6bkj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838t0iasju.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 22 Dec 2018 10:12:37 +0200)

In article <838t0iasju.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > Which markup is not necessary for display, in your opinion?
> > 
> > At most all that's useful is markup that distinguishes Chinese and Japanese 
> > variants of Han characters; this might also include hanja (Korean) and Chữ Nôm 
> > (Vietnamese) variants if we ever added such characters to etc/HELLO. Such markup 
> > might be useful because a significant set of east Asian users dislike Unicode's 
> > Han unification and prefer specific variants of Han characters. I'm not aware of 
> > any other set of users who dislike unification in that way.

> I'm not yet sure this is only about Han unification.  Using charsets
> for specifying fonts is a general feature in Emacs, which can be used
> to control which fonts are selected independently of what the OS
> facilities such as fontconfig do.

> I hope Handa-san will be able to comment on this stuff.

> If Han unification is the only important user of the charset property,
> then yes, we could remove the rest of the charset info from HELLO.

Long ago, the quality of fonts designed for a specific regacy charset
were far better than so-called Unicode fonts even for non-Han charaters.
So, the charset information for non-Han charsets did have some meaning.
But, I don't know the current situation.  Perhaps, it is good to remove
them and wait for complaint from users.

---
K. Handa
handa@gnu.org



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-29  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3fd27fe5-e650-b207-fdd4-36f805b89b4d@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found] ` <83bm5hcroa.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <9f33127d-f01b-b138-7a0c-ffeac7b77938@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]     ` <835zvochdj.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <5f113128-36c9-30c6-3413-8dc36051e058@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <83va3nban3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-12-21 21:07           ` 27.0.50; Use utf-8 is all our Elisp files Paul Eggert
2018-12-22  1:19             ` Eric Lindblad
2018-12-22  7:56               ` etc/HELLO markup etc. (Was: 27.0.50; Use utf-8 is all our Elisp files) Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-22  8:12             ` etc/HELLO markup etc Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-22 19:41               ` Paul Eggert
2018-12-22 20:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-23  7:47               ` Yuri Khan
2018-12-23 15:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-23 15:53                   ` Werner LEMBERG
2018-12-23 16:04                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-23 21:11                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2018-12-28  7:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-29  7:23               ` handa [this message]
2018-12-29  7:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-06 12:06                   ` handa
2019-01-06 15:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-06 17:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-01-06 17:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-06 18:08                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-29  5:32 Van L
2018-12-29  7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-12-30  6:51   ` Van L

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