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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254721 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > This point comes up here so often that probably someone has > > already suggested this silly idea: Why not have a -1998 > > (or -1334 (; ) startup switch for the old timers? > > I like the idea, but this should be something to set in .emacs, > not a command-line option. It must be a command-line option because when reproducing and fixing bugs on Emacs, you very frequently have the need to run "a bare Emacs -Q" frequently from a shell, devoid of any third-party packages that may be interfering. Maintainers would have to additionally specify the --medieval switch to feel minimally confortable in that setting. It's not possible to do this in the .emacs because Emacs -Q jumps that, by definition. Come to think of it, this is a bit of a counter argument against my proposal: if we accept new defaults we must be ready to run Emacs -Q's that have them. If the new defaults are to include, say, vim-like keybindings (ugh!), then maintainers are going to have lots of pain.=20=20 This was a bit of an extreme example, but I guess what I'm saying is that we should still criteriously choose new defaults. > Does the minus sign stand for BC? I don't think Emacs existed in the > time of the Third Dynasty of Ur. I developed the first Emacs > in Babylon in -1765. 1334 was my lame attempt of spelling "leet" in "leetspeak", but I put a 4 instead of 7, i.e. I meant 1337. Guess I'm not so leet after all. Both sound suitably medieval, tho. Jo=C3=A3o