From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:04:57 +0300 Message-ID: <87wo13q9d2.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27488"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 17:05:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1fR-00073s-DT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:05:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36152 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1fQ-0003qz-H2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:05:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33860) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1ek-0003Kw-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:05:06 -0400 Original-Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:32997) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1eh-0002Ku-Td for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:05:06 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.206.236.86 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.206.236.86]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A81461BF203; Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:04:59 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.201; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay8-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/09 08:25:39 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254879 Archived-At: On 2020-09-09 14:22 +03, Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions= . wrote: > Would it not be better to have a "guided tour" (something like C-h t, > but shorter and more "modern") for first-time users (those without a > .emacs / .emacs.d)? This is quite common in "modern" software, so it > would not surprise anyone. [...] > (In fact, it would perhaps make sense to create a few guided tours, > with an initial question "Are you a programmer? a scientist? a > teacher? a writer?" with which the set of options could be narrowed.) Why not instead just have nicer introductory material? E.g. videos that walk through initial customisation for different setups, that discuss and explain things, talk about tangents. This actually is produced by the community, but it=E2=80=99s scattered arou= nd YouTube. We could ask prolific producers to prepare 20-30min videos for some particular setup, showing how to get going with Emacs in that particular niche. The wizard idea from another thread is nice, but I=E2=80=99m not a fan of a whole guided tour. Most probably people would want to skip it. A blocker just as your first boot a program is not nice. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427