From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:48:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87wnzsyofc.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8l9f1dl.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfgc50gb.fsf@gnu.org> <875z7gflpl.fsf@gnus.org> <83imbf2xux.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfgbarkk.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh4q195b.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgah1mjz.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1q0zwlp.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7232"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 15 08:52:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx7l-0001im-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:52:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44654 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx7k-0007Gx-8n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:52:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56904) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx4U-00054d-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:56804) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx4R-00022N-Nu; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 02:49:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=bCagcWJMZLf/+C2+JpaP8SjzOAqyKPdaRnL23O3nzS4=; b=N3BaHAhdnpvTR3CQZpLc1d+aEG +ZLoKogTWCq4ExycnZ6sM6sNdB+FHoGAdkciyvBUoBn4UjSxB4iEc8jfdJWdZNfjsRNIgnRJ7hGnP eBqSSdNKcLn2jR0Z/bdEXGoM+JnZ/x4w8PH8IkKjkX8h82ernPfWFEXAAqkoh/66rTxo=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSx4L-0000IL-2Y; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:49:02 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEU3MzBXU1C2tbP/ //95ocZ/AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QKDwYsGH0CdIkAAAFgSURBVCjPLdA9buQwDAXg J0DcWgbILXKEPYUEWE0qCSCbnCCZU6WYGWR8yjzZW8jQJ4o/MqSUil6/XsftgVRU0OrbcdxeSE7U Yc/j8YC5SKsjy/G8Q5TYS/57PF/oQbhCj9sdfYoNN4x/x31FrDBS/xyfZyQYQfr4giSzWRfePyGi WlCI/oOcVSsqMb6h2X0/USu2MkZOINJA3+bkJoMTIs/WgKzIialdvGaWU95NYhwMA4WYZtsoTK6Z zdQC4wSwq3odwkYM+Bg91f8o3KdqxJpiziLg1KgJqU02t8ZaCa3XLDmCEHTCLhjEKqsvFEIu7BeG OBHszGvbhf1EhHMfwv/VI/ra87vQL4xQokXMk4oUrfHULTZH3VrriccyCWszEtMSSzsniEYMTu0Z vG9rBEXMqemEC0JXvq3qBBslzySfPtvqwdWtY8xtjeJcgWJs4n4Ozmo7c6de8M7TaetRv+wpcBEf kEYOAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEwLTE1VDA2OjQ0OjI0KzAwOjAwO7lkqgAAACV0 RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMC0xNVQwNjo0NDoyNCswMDowMErk3BYAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Hookworms's _Hookworms_: "Medicine Cabinet" In-Reply-To: <83r1q0zwlp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:54:42 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257707 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Yes, this can be done. But we'd need fort to decide what is the > semantics of this: > > (setq mode-line-thing `(:propertize "%12b" :min-width 10)) > > IOW, when the format and :min-width contradict, who "wins"? I'd say %12b should win -- :min-width should be used only to add extra padding if needed. I think that would be pretty clear semantics... > Or maybe we should re-purpose the WIDTH parameter of such formats to > mean "min-width"? Hm... *ponder* I think that perhaps sounds like a complicating factor. I mean, semantics-wise. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no