From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 370d403: Explain in the manual how to make `cursor-intangible' work Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:51:06 +0100 Message-ID: <87wnla0xx1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20211114021443.12484.87085@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20211114021444.BD421209C6@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <8735ny7m7e.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1bi4ncs.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl2m4m54.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15148"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 15 06:52:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmUuZ-0003jb-5D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:52:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34380 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmUuX-0004mi-SO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 00:52:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmUte-00044r-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 00:51:14 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=58040 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmUtc-00070I-Gz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 00:51:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=NwEjBUGQT0ASdrPkDXuNl/sEcaUjO18iql3ZEWzOWA4=; b=gNrYaJ9dG8LZX8pV5OwhfwViDN StczRRPDACINU0VXVd1TbBih1xCP0dejVcvr8m1IE1FvhowmF94lmVGJoRUPa/kInbDyoHslVGVgm Bx9uEGOkTi3D2SzRP/PunoPdKP9d6ZviFs4EpNL1p8IeG8EsCicbmNvgU/epUbc5gjyM=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmUtX-00029g-2q; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:51:09 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEXO1dWNcDX////Y 16zIAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEgAACxIB0t1+/AAAAAd0SU1FB+ULDwUxGpgaPfUA AACNSURBVCjP3Y9BDgMhCEUxkb1N5D6Q1L0mcP+rDKOOdNFtNzUx4Ql8/wf4x4PWT01mesB+Cven 6RPgK/AsdMF6zUngiBFlYCh7vhPHsrYIqZYDWi0xpn0QPjBEYg5JFUPAtD7ORndy81MFxYxkC9YJ 3rhlJCWzxiunC6PZNvp2AyuOd/nlmUqZK8Did09dr8clJGwSuaAAAABaZVhJZk1NACoAAAAIAAUB EgADAAAAAQABAAABGgAFAAAAAQAAAEoBGwAFAAAAAQAAAFIBKAADAAAAAQACAAACEwADAAAAAQAB AAAAAAAAAAAASAAAAAEAAABIAAAAAR9S9zQAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTEtMTVU MDU6NDk6MjYrMDA6MDAk2HZlAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTExLTE1VDA1OjQ5OjI2 KzAwOjAwVYXO2QAAABd0RVh0ZXhpZjpZQ2JDclBvc2l0aW9uaW5nADGsD4BjAAAAMHRFWHRpY2M6 Y29weXJpZ2h0AENvcHlyaWdodCAyMDAwIEFkb2JlIFN5c3RlbXMsIEluYy6pb7Z0AAAAKXRFWHRp Y2M6ZGVzY3JpcHRpb24AVS5TLiBXZWIgQ29hdGVkIChTV09QKSB2MqZOuwAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Herbert's _Musca_: "Two Doors feat. Joy Morgan" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:33:20 -0500") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279469 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Agreed. But I think your code example just makes it seem like the > current behavior is just wrong, whereas the problem is that it > implements something a bit different from what the OP wanted. I don't really see how the example makes it seem that the current behaviour is wrong. It just demonstrates the (non-obvious) effect that rear-nonsticky has here. > So I think we should better explain our meaning of "intangible" and then > explain how it might relate to a notion of "atomicity" (and how to get > that when you want it). Sounds a bit academic to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no