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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281297 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Here's two random ideas: > > define-saved-variable > define-stored-variable Hm... possible... Joost Kremers writes: > I noticed you hadn't listed "permanent" yet, or "durable". > > But I do think 'persistent' is the usual term to describe this sort of > thing, so personally I'd find a way to use it. It's possible that we could make CEDET not use it, I guess? The way things are connected up in CEDET makes it a challenge to start to unravel it, though. Bob Rogers writes: > Maybe use "multisession"? That's a bit of a mouthful, it's more precise > than anything else I've seen, and some extra semantic weight won't hurt. "multisession" does convey a lot -- these objects are extra-special in that they'll discover when they've been changed by a different Emacs (if enabled), too, and "multisession" also says something about that. Is there a shorter work that conveys the same thing? I.e., that the value might be coming from a different Emacs, and that it's persistent, too? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no