From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more radical cleanup for make bootstrap? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295811 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It generally takes 10-15 minutes for me to build Emacs in ideal >> conditions from "make bootstrap", with much of that time taken up by >> building temacs. It takes longer when I am actually working on Emacs, >> because that typically happens while my machine is already under load. > Why do you bootstrap? Because the incremental build fails and I cannot get it to work by eyeballing what elc files to delete, usually due to an obscure macro-expansion error in tramp.