From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Questions regarding PGTK, high-dpi font-rendering, new X11-Warning Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87wn7gc53k.fsf@thaodan.de> References: <87cz99l4td.fsf@thaodan.de> <87v8n1w7cf.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15001"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 28 01:10:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ozRis-0003im-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 01:10:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ozRiD-000322-1k; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 19:09:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ozRiC-00031q-2H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 19:09:28 -0500 Original-Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ozRiA-0000gj-0K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 19:09:27 -0500 Original-Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-b04885-76.dhcp.inet.fi [176.72.133.76]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6013D08D46; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 02:09:21 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1669594161; bh=DNf7MCkEvQNRI6VVjoPGaTRzPqdSwOTa7rcgPw0bYVM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=T0b3ahK0eS4acMU3ALt0327VM8T21hMHt1Z1ls2zSH3iaSPZRvDrID0ezHXfZJ/Jr mBrCjfWxwsVKyg3Ac/FXu+lbLxTUVJ+7Ho8+WY9Ft4wsZRCndjC/eEtnSNClPxMDE0 7nJy//LmHOelEk0UXWHyBwdEIXnE/eugyezpTpzZ6CIillStPVqxkGWZeZlHCohf9R sNF4H361Ww7Om6FTQxYPE886nQIkc0qDYkh9wPMxnx1eI6qOxruRh7sTI3ugODBKv2 DjblVGtg5zriKnB9n42ESY9O5d7M+N5jBz/WIPcjypIoHz40/qbFIjJhZQ7Ag7fE/x MaabYM5QLecNYLUZD0iU+gqTEJV4+eEvKqcK7ufCYPxvzWH8QtgtCg5qgjpzqjZkUf roff9LoqVhwp4ZqOcxZumRo5oMeJsHIu6ZtysTPuA6wnS8HRz93abtj+F4bJWof5DX 4ILzCqrJIBJ6IvlbvR7ajQfDE90TVbel4FBJgz+8jp9eH1AEErJ66/F1fJceys8aR7 R32xCXggRUJeBI1tGdo3r7FxUzPI9I6Fw5SyxWCnqbj5pPUFr0xvwo/SOpwwP/Fzru VgiiwSOP2joF7QpKgQ0xBw9YohdD60zF3EFjOVzwxOuNcbkGApPh1xzKkLrkfO8Mcy 9XtjhvcRWh3UqwFH0R0QfSNo= In-Reply-To: <87v8n1w7cf.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 27 Nov 2022 08:48:16 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.216.177.71; envelope-from=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; helo=thaodan.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300652 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > >> I also was under the impression that fondering is better using PGTK when >> using a high dpi screen, even under X11. Was that wrong?=20 > > If by "fondering" you mean font display, then yes, that was wrong: the > same Cairo font backend as the default X11 build is also used by the > PGTK build. Hm something must be wrong then if it didn't scale properly outside of the X11 build. >> Now there's this big warning block wich appears when you use PGTK under >> X11. > >> - Will it break emacs --daemon? The frame is spawned right when the X11 >> display connection is initiated. > > Yes, it will crash regardless. It didn't crash before.. >> - I think it kinda rude to right out spawn a big window on every start, >> it doesn't fit into how emacs usually acts. What I'm trying to say is >> I think it is ok so show a warning every time server starts but adding >> this big blob of text that spawns 2/10 of the screen when Emacs is in >> fullscreen is a little much. > > The other alternative we considered was to prevent Emacs from starting > under X11 when compiled with PGTK. Or make it run as good as it can under X11 and leave the rest of the remaining issues as work as intended until a fix is found >> I wonder how viable this strategy if Emacs has to be compiled twice for >> Wayland support. > > The alternative is to have an Emacs that crashes under X11 in various > common situations. Please read the message in the dialog box. Emacs might to something strange with GTK then, it is the only program having these issues. So far I didn't experience such issues. Br, Bj=C3=B6rn