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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322465 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Drew Adams writes: > language / hyperbole, IMO that description is not > only too subdued I=E2=80=99ll add that being subdued about strength can actually be harmful. While false marketing is a problem, not doing marketing and not pointing out the strengths of your project causes people to use systems that are less suited to their requirements than your project. Because other people will use marketing. And marketing works. But marketing can be honest. Its goal is then to ensure that the people to whom your project would be useful learn about the project.=C2=B9 =E2=87=92 Good marketing starts with the existing strengths of a project and finds people to whom these strengths are useful. This also means to use language that conveys enthusiasm. If you are silent about actual strength of your project, many people to whom choosing your project would be the best decision will not find your project when they are in a situation where they can choose it. So the Emacs website and documentation should not sell elisp short. Best wishes, Arne =C2=B9 https://www.draketo.de/anderes/honest-marketing#what-is-good-marketi= ng =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmaynzkQHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD60+nEADChDmm+h7TfsMJOrIpOlw/JdFxr+BYya0A omVWA4nlH8oeNxy2dmI81/zgjR7870w3Vwtl/4DxFcDVUOFVPNVfWJZjaBZyPX6t vwYG5Yci2QtttrDZLJFS+L/ulTuZnGzi11nCUWv+orKFcGXDzPJ6S3VgvlTg7XQ3 UUVLlJWdYs9nvcaApFxNh7heA8AkPqyeJ1T7+eAm6wjeS0j7T8lXWGPLycBi0R5W Bt58Bd1cCLMfQZHAaeV7J/lW2xUFRkWlWwQr0eXb5gknJ178ASSsbztCXXqfdR/z 1Z7dqrUuXzGnv9k+cr2k6w+qF3tz0N9cgB1JUNB9oHcECfnPoWXN4nupKdP2QOYc LebKBheTDu9Yf8PhdZfAV3ZuJPFRfEPA+xbETdPJR8RhBQneAeCP+T5hza7mEtNZ WuvWojs5xJP3+0yHisrD4kl4BDWyNwmNmlCcDX3xn2gZEmp6SZ5/4+g+Xctt1A7E cBubOOxarvmp5zBeqWkv9bkS+9gpy3u2NvLm6I60UsTNt1x80arEZs6pRNZvvj3p drRbwUwteQXKOeYiwpEUdZJh5Kg5Pjg6mc+QtPjFq2CXZtV7dTI798CPH1UfM9Kx Oa82PH/kHQB0hSv7dt3n5lrSyxVq1iPR+JK0MdvooD3RhvUA9FELmRA3+Ps7QqhN kE7wMlZEM4jEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmaynzkQHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSGLnA/90W9gd4N6R2EFngiqOv+AABmxR a4bW7+m4W8oyHwn5YuJua52cJgDIJYsTHAoZu/foI+za8BL3V2wzmjhs0GX/pqnS 52THcVNPUNDSdZhbmc55S64+7u1y2kdhN+jz7ACUo5tsNj0TA/lfV7xQ1J2ALsW1 5dNNIaYDLdfIem9pog== =7eiL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--