From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thanos Apollo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 14:16:19 +0300 Message-ID: <87wmj6a83g.fsf@thanosapollo.org> References: <87frpvk8l9.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86ikur8vku.fsf@gnu.org> <878qvnk3j4.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86ed5f8ugc.fsf@gnu.org> <875xqrk20g.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86a5g38qkk.fsf@gnu.org> <87bk0jbh6t.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <867cb698ec.fsf@gnu.org> <8734lubs3z.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <86frpu7gmf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29817"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 20 13:17:20 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1srbdX-0007Y7-RS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:17:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srbcl-0003Ex-Oa; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srbck-0003Ek-9w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:16:30 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.forwardemail.net ([207.246.76.47]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1srbch-0003G2-ST for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:16:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thanosapollo.org; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Date: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Cc: To: From; q=dns/txt; s=fe-4dbabb00f3; t=1726830983; bh=EF41bM/3oSUgTpaD+8sa+m9WVXE6psMEcd1NtHbFBdc=; b=RxfhrPsRKaYy88bik1UU/VI/J4r1t+BoY7BooDa+35/25TEn3NW2n4J6pAKLUvUdIChHprQ+3 5+Iv6MOjjmwORX+v+JVfzEyafPtZhO2QaAZ0o7gufV/1rCD0edcYZAmy4k+soUVikg1lm0JJ/Om GzCpnW8YLmORDCr9g9CM6LQ= In-Reply-To: <86frpu7gmf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-Report-Abuse: abuse@forwardemail.net Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-ForwardEmail-Version: 0.4.40 X-ForwardEmail-Sender: rfc822; public@thanosapollo.org, smtp.forwardemail.net, 207.246.76.47 X-ForwardEmail-ID: 66ed596abaffcbf1846da557 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=207.246.76.47; envelope-from=SRS0=32db=QS=thanosapollo.org=public@fe-bounces.thanosapollo.org; helo=smtp.forwardemail.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323832 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: [...] > > Again, why is it our problem? If the user wants to have this sequence > for some reason, it is up to the user to select the font that displays > this properly. Emacs has no business preventing users from typing > nonsensical sequences of codepoints. > Because it does not make linguistic sense, similarly to Spanish input methods which AFAIK does not allow for multiple acute accents (acento agudo, =C3=A1) on a single letter. I understand that Emacs has no business preventing users from typing nonsensical keys in Greek, but those keys/char= acters should exist in the Greek language. The current implementation of "greek" input method does not allow for stacking accents either. [...] > I'm not sure this is related. As I wrote, it is okay for the input > method not to support more than one tonos following a base character. > But that does not (and should not) prevent the user from typing as > many tonos accents as he/she pleases by other means. The only > requirement from Emacs is not to crash as result of displaying such > sequences. Polytonic input methods have hard coded accent combinations. Combinations of accents have specific keybinding e.g "M-Shift-q" + a for oxia and ypogegrameni with =CE=B1 (e.g =E1=BE=B4). Which btw I'm not sure = how I can replicate in quail. =2D-=20 Thanos Apollo https://thanosapollo.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJMBAEBCAA2FiEEYrdY0PZxmTi8Cc7KM59zbDpyCSgFAmbtWYMYHHB1YmxpY0B0 aGFub3NhcG9sbG8ub3JnAAoJEDOfc2w6cgkoIWoP/jBJPWX3FgIaNH0fvHrJCHGn 9F/fkZPEkWflAPmGhO1f97kAHf743dJtA1eXIIQVMvutbJjKUYhh9O/sx4itKTZN +SLxBSSRwnTKVpp8HwFaJBDEdBtT0NndJ4crMp0j304P26lSoNhJkKWnQnWOj9Bw +7AK1z2ZUjU7df8O7fmxIdWWe4kfPV3Oo971jr2HM//3BhmhwWK9dpMp+Wjqx6+q 0d81Db7P1Q6cJ/A4xdFRsK0VWBo5Q0iMUi9AO9J4XjHZbHPn2i/+M6e3zR3l4lBW EHVo9iqcdINKap4IpD6+e/Yqp2+IEWVs0j30a+0R/zIZXg/8Jg4Xmg9pPDK8HFkE fYohaR71KYqQdpveIDNXWmuHiPVmFJoK+qfx9mGrWSxt1+5U28uqqNpHgyUTVNI7 y60DoVxh+RyjTL1CKhilqAw/n2V77k7K7Rk/FGEhZ//XKymmftb4Dt5JsYsadmOw gN+brBLyVJ4MgPsIedGCj/QTYqgx14/z92Tp9v+w2JZ+T7b6bwnb7H/igkKAYM42 YGnPCrLaB7CkU6D284B6ozr+zvrs8YXyWH5jUaOaD0Yp02wRyB6owtDKRL4l2HnG KjhGtQbE7jRLoGz6wJuTHHE1AtYe7krJy8HNsvom0AK/hyLlLNarBmfl8dUCTErM nCxbzJvoFi2TRiFLn+hd =myXF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--