From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Texinfo reputation Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 19:51:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87wmggioql.fsf@web.de> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> <861pys6i8z.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26507"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Max Nikulin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 03 19:52:49 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tIY0v-0006le-70 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 19:52:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIY0D-0003Kh-VN; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 13:52:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIY06-0003KQ-Vf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 13:51:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tIXzz-0000fu-22 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 13:51:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1733251907; x=1733856707; i=arne_bab@web.de; bh=L2thydibHnlvrOpDaBtKtopTuQoG++YkHmG1kjQ4Exw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=u+TNXbljBFf/4YOTtC2gwT3bkTCvu08GqAa58w9/MxAUytsOm9js4UTYyUdGFPep +jZMVtt1tMKqM+TvItc7Jiqbbwb4aiQbB7TGB8iLn9ZSUD4hrvAO0mqP/Hu4KthZ2 aZNvKgx9Z6zNlryFk1whbpdH4qZmgPhSOuEGYfPgTl/YjjWNZCvXajeo/m3TTAcbd NH/fd5sVanJKstiVducVNWwTLu31PQHecLUCvuUyvqMUHqnpWwcfSRoW2ypmxv6Y7 ZysVwfRxSCttkwQNjQXPoqtInggHFQdQWB5wmxhv7MNOesDWeeyIJ0G/Qlx57eJpo F8ZY58QCPgcGZ5/RKA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from fluss ([84.165.21.171]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb006 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MpCmZ-1u0z6q0yS7-00i17F; Tue, 03 Dec 2024 19:51:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Max Nikulin's message of "Mon, 2 Dec 2024 10:00:56 +0700") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5yfdQJ0XA4LIGrJkS33yTpn+XTuWMRupDrmEc6x+Nk/UYO0Z3uz xr+dq2LpWkh3e9LDb9aPJT/AMRPDARImlG4e/GsE7cvyuRK3uXUoLDqlaK+kzxzB5l84uDX maibkYWmZ4Qkkw+kVfhENSUfqAZxg+9ltCemhqiQHnKSD44tWuQDLjm9Kloc1zSbEZYlgQL hX3XGYwZjAktriQekXwcw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:kHTCxuv3fI8=;s9KtmqkM09gJRn2DwxF5RZX4PSO 8pcghxZdcOE1Gc3wbDN30/St0gO9TeZFoQiDbMkDDg3WiDALDiqVX7PYWfY+zTRfhvz0y0x6n NzXwEKSAVoII7Y7rN0gkfHawnfScbEpFyUqPUXClUtBWIOvY5FT9OsXuoZHIBzGX++jklmBks 4tXMu7/6fDjG37yOARZLcIh9ZA+6qn3A7UHj21wZYMlPodv1JLsVAs7NY3krgQo/K6kOnNiMH ovhNJaQ9kiVhKtuaWBN3GHAUlkSIqyyLvXlpi0uiFiUV1+G/FOAJ03g7pw0U/gBDWyKG4kU1w GsjfLSMDNK0LYNU0vwEVwo4FsjYo9KvUDw4sziDYLCGtjMLYFevUp350geUu8gKQ3sC6EL0qZ POqURghV2hZBZ6s5+JfLrOedvYlCEEPQMHhS3DBGO9ZNkwfqNh/iJfiVC7UBZ7/jEgO2eAcW8 QsmveMGPQXcrtOJvWD+nvdVPxNqpZPkCi3aux9yl/UdUN7FyZNmSlnWOdU7IGEZLnDogtGdT0 a6Sc5newC8YScz1OrJUwyS0wHKJAtY+ZBRM5pKdsfmkqLFEQImeHrzmfMlopxjr1BSR92CmYs iSUSXz/zaTgclTaehs8kS5ygzBQRoVilNjr0YLjSXCZjSixcIVdqkNaX9Ml0nitXHQ6wQ0wxn Wlx/2eqzEumV9nIO1OOH+IjxRHWy//rABeRDSKoXEl/YKItU/VNc+LgQ71eIbLtDE0zKzgTYS 00FkkiZgNLGaFZ93t/DxK72OfGV3VRujwhx6V98CIDQDojUVKJduwDWxpQCYwPCuaHChbJ7r Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.4; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326000 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Max Nikulin writes: > My impression based on debian-user mailing list messages is that > people avoid info manuals due to inconvenience of the standalone > reader. They have some workarounds for cases when length of a man page > is excessively high for comfortable reading. An example is PDF > generated from BASH man page despite BASH has the manual in the > texinfo format. I used to be annoyed by the standalone reader, but with info --usage it=E2=80=99s actually pretty good. It nowadays also gives a useful answer w= hen looking for a non-existing manual: info NOTEXISTING info: No menu item 'NOTEXISTING' in node '(dir)Top' That was my main gripe with it, and I guess that most old timers don=E2=80= =99t know about that change. You even get very fast full-text search through the manuals. What I just found a bit lacking is tool support: pygments does not have highlighting for texinfo (latex export of texinfo sources), export to HTML doesn=E2=80=99t look great by default. And: info --usage git does not give the invocation page =E2=80=94 because t= hat node is missing in the manual. That=E2=80=99s not a problem of texinfo, but= an indication that something may be missing: Is there a linter for texinfo that remarks such problems? 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