From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Patch to disable links line in *info* buffer Date: 11 Jun 2002 09:12:51 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87vg8qisfw.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87bsaos1fl.fsf@orebokech.com> <200206072322.g57NMtK27277@aztec.santafe.edu> <5xbsam1tje.fsf@kfs2.cua.dk> <200206091518.g59FIuL00222@aztec.santafe.edu> <200206102343.g5ANhlv02332@aztec.santafe.edu> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1023754529 12455 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2002 00:15:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: keichwa@gmx.net, storm@cua.dk, romain@orebokech.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17HZJp-0003Em-00 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:15:29 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17HZgt-0006j2-00 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:39:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HZJV-00045x-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp01.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.131]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17HZI8-00042I-00; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:13:44 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-192.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.192] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp01.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 17HZI5-0007ey-00; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:13:41 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2F3D830A4; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:12:52 +0900 (JST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <200206102343.g5ANhlv02332@aztec.santafe.edu> Original-Lines: 38 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4733 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4733 Richard Stallman writes: > When a change was made to address one problem, and you > think it causes another problem, please make an effort to find a way > to rescue the change before you ask people to take it out. In this > case, I am the only one who has tried to do that. But you also have to consider whether it's worth the effort. You seem to be treating Bob's desire for a copyable nodes-line as something that is extremely urgent. It is not. It's something that would be nice, but which really isn't that important in the end, and its certainly not worth screwing up an otherwise good interface for. Now, perhaps your solution of duplicate header lines _is_ the best compromise -- it avoids screwing up the nice interface, and it makes Bob happy (I guess), even if it slightly confuses users and makes the info buffer uglier. Perhaps it would be possible to add some sort of header-line hackery so that the header-line is only displayed when the buffer-resident nodes-line has scrolled out of view. > Getting rid of the header line would solve that too. Maybe getting > rid of the header line is an improvement all around. No. Having a constant way of seeing adjacent nodes is very valuable, I think. It gives you a sense of context that you don't really get with the old only-at-the-beginning node-lines. Morever, it's clickable, so serves as an easy way of doing node navigation with the mouse. I'll bet if you actually asked a bunch of newbies, they'd think you're nuts for even suggesting this. -Miles -- Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose --Janis Joplin