From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lawyer's evaluation Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:56:37 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87vfro7uga.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <871xud8z7j.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1063980834 3847 80.91.224.253 (19 Sep 2003 14:13:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 16:13:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0M1A-0002Bm-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:13:52 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0M5e-0005WC-00 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:18:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0LwQ-0000R8-8s for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:08:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A0Lua-00088X-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:07:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A0LuY-00087T-2N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A0LkY-0005Gd-B2; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:56:42 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1A0LkT-0004Pq-00; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:56:37 +0900 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <871xud8z7j.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (Miles Bader's message of "19 Sep 2003 08:16:16 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16488 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16488 >>>>> "Miles" == Miles Bader writes: Miles> Richard Stallman writes: >> I asked our lawyer to evaluate a recent version of the >> proposal. [He said:] em> In legal terms I think the suggestion is valid, and em> introduces no problems. In practical terms I like what he em> is saying, not in all details, and believe he's on the em> right track. I suspect that a couple of those "details" have already been pointed out by David Kastrup, and in one case I offered the following: For "You need not accept or decline the License; you simply exercise those rights, as defined in the License, at your option." substitute "You need not accept or decline the License at this time. At your option, at any time you may simply exercise those additional rights, which implies acceptance." >> A statement that "Emacs is free software," and a button to get >> more information on free software seems possible to me. For the button, once "free software" has been mentioned in the summary, just label the second button "More About Free Software" and adjust the preceding text accordingly. This works for me, but I'm probably too close to the idea to judge. Miles> Yeah, I agree -- in my mind, perhaps the _most_ important Miles> (important to me, that is :-) thing to say while you've got Miles> the user's attention, is `This is Free Software (as in Miles> freedom), there's a lot more of it, and a great community Miles> to back it up. Wanna join?' How about "The following General Public License states and protects additional rights that you possess." ==> "The following General Public License states and protects additional rights, the rights that constitute true software freedom, that you possess." OR "The following General Public License states and protects additional rights, the rights that make GNU Emacs truly free software, that you possess." -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.