From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.mail.mew.general Subject: Re: [mew-int 01596] Re: windows 1252 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:20:14 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87vfpndwnl.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87llqzuvaj.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20031104.111334.60445673.kazu@iijlab.net> <200311070713.QAA24793@etlken.m17n.org> <20031110.161123.49979847.kazu@iijlab.net> <200311100742.QAA29290@etlken.m17n.org> <87ekwdilwx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200311130101.KAA04554@etlken.m17n.org> <87he18grg9.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200311140257.LAA06613@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1068809070 10929 80.91.224.253 (14 Nov 2003 11:24:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mew-int@mew.org, kazu@iijlab.net, d.love@dl.ac.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 14 12:24:27 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKc3v-0000Bh-00 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:24:27 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKc3u-0001ep-00 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 12:24:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKcyY-00075R-Fj for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:22:58 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AKcyP-00074w-Cb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:22:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1AKcxM-0006wA-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:22:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AKcxM-0006vk-0z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:21:44 -0500 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AKbzq-0003LO-00; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 20:20:14 +0900 Original-To: Kenichi Handa In-Reply-To: <200311140257.LAA06613@etlken.m17n.org> (Kenichi Handa's message of "Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:57:01 +0900 (JST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.5 (celeriac, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:17817 gmane.mail.mew.general:547 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:17817 >>>>> "Kenichi" == Kenichi Handa writes: Kenichi> I don't understand what "DOCS private final byte UTF-8" Kenichi> means. Do you mean using the following for UTF-8? Kenichi> 6. Non-Standard Character Set Encodings Kenichi> 01/11 02/05 02/15 03/00 M L variable number of octets per character Yes. Kenichi> Do you know if there exist an application that Kenichi> send/receive such an encoding? Good question. Can't confirm at the moment; the only non-XFree86 system I have immediate access to is Solaris, and I can't get it into any UTF-8 locale :-(. According to the standard, apps that implement compound text must implement extended segments, and if you implement utf-8 anyway, this would be trivial to support. But that doesn't mean they do. Kenichi> If so, now we have three methods for transfering UTF-8 in Kenichi> inter-client communication (the above, XFree86's only Kenichi> UTF-8 encoding using ESC % G ..., use UTF8_STRING instead Isn't UTF8_STRING also XFree86 only? The Solaris apps (xterm and dtterm) I have tried don't seem to understand it. (xterm's man page says X11R5, how strange.) Also, after selecting purely ASCII text in an XFree86 UXTerm, I get (get-selection 'PRIMARY) => "Loretta Guarino Reid" (get-selection 'PRIMARY 'COMPOUND_TEXT) => "Loretta Guarino Reid" (get-selection 'PRIMARY 'UTF8_STRING) => nil but that might be an internal problem of XEmacs not knowing what to do with the data. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.